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@jackofalltrades

You're missing the point entirely!

The point is, regardless of what you want or your agenda, many people do want to live ecologically sustainable lifestyles. For example, a sharing economy.

So, at least, be a good person and don't try to stop us (with your ecologically degrading politics & economics as usual rhetoric).

The foolishness of not being able to perceive that the current economic model is the main problem.

@jackofalltrades

Is "economic hardship" not flying on jets? Or not eating red meat? Or not buying new shoes every week? Or not cruising around the world on diesel ships?

Do you want to mitigate climate change or do you want to be a consumerist?

All I'm inferring is that you're supporting business as usual!

Aren't you? Sounds that way.

Mitigating greed (redistributing resources) will improve economic hardship for many and help to mitigate climate change.

@jackofalltrades

Read the information I have linked to (& the weblinks) qoto.org/@Empiricism_Reloaded/

One Planet's Development is based on people living a low ecological impact lifestyle.

For example, people grow a percentage of their own food using methods (methods that don't use fossil fuels and improve the local ecosystem). Also constructing buildings using locally sourced materials ((low carbon construction).

"How do you know that?"

How do I know that a lifestyle that emits less greenhouse gas emissions and restores nature is how to mitigate climate change?

@Snoro

It's basic math (& ecology). Whatever benefits the "split EU" perceives they are getting now from coal plants, will pale in comparison to the future costs.

@dangeratio

Manyverse is similar to Mastodon (the client or software).

Scuttlebutt is similar to ActivityPub (the fediverse protocol).

The key differences that interest me are that Scuttlebutt (and therefore Manyverse) has a person-to-person implementation. And some form of personal digital profile management (e.g., your own profile that you protect with a password).

Basically, I prefer the fediverse compared to twitter et al. But, I don't like how admins can delete your online profile (e.g., followers list, posts, etc).

@MisterMadge

I have noticed locally an uptick in the number of people that at least acknowledge that climate change is a "thing" (i.e., most local people just hear about it on the news, etc).

However, talking about it isn't action.

Walking the right path towards a sustainable culture. qoto.org/@Empiricism_Reloaded/

"Worry" can cause apathy. Real solutions can mitigate anxiety.

It reminds me of a Cartoon graphic that was about humans & mitigating climate change. "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!!

Walking the right path towards a sustainable culture.

Over the last ten years or so, since the information that human activities are changing the climate went more mainstream, I've noticed virtually no sign that the people I see locally are doing anything to change their activities.

The local farmers: continue to burn piles of wood on their land (CO2 emissions). The local sheep farmers continue to transport sheep using diesel vehicles (CO2 emissions). The local landscape continues to be in a deforested and sheep-wrecked ecological condition (legacy CO2 emissions. Present & future CH₄ [methane] emission). The local farmers continue to be offended if their sheep farming lifestyles are called into question (i.e., they're not changing for anyone or anything).

The people I observe locally continue to drive combustion engine vehicles (CO2 emissions). The tourists continue to pull their caravans or drive the, often increasing in size, campervans (CO2 emissions). And of course, the fossil fuel industries continue to extract and sell more fossil fuels. The logging industries continue to sell wood fuel for power stations or people's wood stoves. The national government continues to try and open a new coal mine locally. The local people continue to have coal, gas, or kerosene delivered by diesel trucks to their homes.

Generally, only over the last 10 years since environmental protestors made the mainstream pay attention to the science of climate change, nothing has generally changed locally that would mitigate climate change. The general businesses want to continue as usual, the average consumer wants to continue as usual.

What also has not changed over the previous ten years is that greenhouse gas emissions keep on rising ourworldindata.org/greenhouse-

However, there have been some noticeable changes locally over the previous ten years. There have been more frequent floods from autumn to winter and longer drier periods during summer.

I can't speak for the world. However, it's self-evident what the future is going to be for the people in my local community (they're not mitigating climate change. They're not adapting to be more climate resilient). Eventually, climate change is going to regulate their lifestyles in the most severe way. Of course, if the world (human population in general) acted to mitigate climate change (reduce their greenhouse gas emissions & restore their local ecosystems. i.e., natural habitats), my local communities' climate inaction, apathy, and virtue signaling wouldn't be so much of a problem. But, the world isn't mitigating climate change. Climate change is mitigating the world.

There is an ecologically and economically viable solution to living a low-impact lifestyle qoto.org/@Empiricism_Reloaded/

However, a sustainable lifestyle requires a change of lifestyle (for the majority). And as with all animals, (most) humans behave as if they're creatures of habit (& belief).

The path to ecological sustainability is walking the path (not only talking about it & or not only protesting about it).

"want" is how we make a reality. More people have to truly want to mitigate climate change. More than they want, for example, to drive cars with combustion engines or electric motors, or to want to fly on jets or eat red meat.

Some people, so many people, believe they're honestly wanting to mitigate climate change (a story they tell themselves). But, many people don't change their own lifestyles so as to reduce greenhouse gas emissions (e.g., they don't quit eating red meat or flying on jets). Perhaps they're assuming that someone else will mitigate climate change (e.g., the politicians & industries) or that some future technology will mean they can simply, for example, buy an electric car and everything will be fine.

Some people, so many people, are not honestly wanting to mitigate climate change. But they tell other people a different story. In other words, climate virtue signaling is a very common form of social greenwashing. Maybe they think sincere people are stupid. Like we can't see that their words don't align with their behaviors (activities).

Who is going to reduce greenhouse gas emissions if most people don't try to reduce their activities that are causing greenhouse gas emissions?

Sincere people that want to mitigate ecological degradation therefore climate change will want to live an ecologically low-impact lifestyle qoto.org/@Empiricism_Reloaded/

"want" is how we make a reality.

It's not ethical to wait until more people want to mitigate climate change. Therefore, we must nurture that want. And mitigate the merchants of doubt that try to make people feel that mitigating climate change is difficult or hard.

It's evidently not hard to develop political policies that promote a more self-sufficient, low ecological impact lifestyle within a more local economic context. qoto.org/@Empiricism_Reloaded/

The don't want people - make it hard because they promote & hang onto unsustainable ways of life

doesn't care about their BS!

@CosmicCleric

That's correct.

The "face value" context I was referring to was on Social Networking Systems (SNS) and their clients (apps, etc) such as etc (communicating with people on the internet, in general)

For example, I generally use SNS to promote sustainable living (e.g., explaining how to mitigate climate change). It's difficult to know if a person (that I do not know) on an SNS is being honest or not. For example, many industries spread disinformation ( e.g., greenwash) & too many people are not informed of the life sciences & or have lifestyles agendas that do not align with truly wanting to transition towards a sustainable culture. (Though may virtue signal that they do)

So, on SNS, because I can't know someone's personality (e.g., trust is an earned quality that takes time to develop), I am going to intentionally interpret people's words at face value (even if I detect that they're not being honest. i.e., the benefit of my doubt).

For example, and as a thought experiment. I have replied to the paragraph you wrote "I don't think it would be healthy for society to let lies go unchallenged, as they will fester and grow and take over"

By assuming that you meant every word you wrote (i.e., being honest). Being honest is not the same as being correct. People can be greenwashed and honestly believe in incorrect ideologies (especially when so many industries are spreading disinformation)

People believe they're honestly wanting to mitigate climate change (a story they tell themselves), but, they don't change their own lifestyles so as to reduce greenhouse gas emissions (e.g., they don't quit eating red meat or flying on jets).

Who is going to reduce greenhouse gas emissions if most people don't try to reduce their activities that are causing greenhouse gas emissions?

Sincere people that want to mitigate ecological degradation therefore climate change will want to live an ecological low-impact lifestyle qoto.org/@Empiricism_Reloaded/

"want" is how we make a reality.

Empiricism boosted

Great to see a meetup of #P2P projects funded by NGI pop up at P2P Basel 2023 (p2p-basel.org) - including #EarthStar, #Cabal, #P2Panda and of course #Manyverse. Jan 27-30th at the University of Basel (#unibas).

Empiricism boosted

Does anyone here use #SecureScuttlebutt apps for building a community? I have #Manyverse installed — I love the concept, the execution, and the idea of the *distributed* tech behind it (public key signed posts that you get directly from their app, or from a follower who’s stored them; no ‘server’) but … it’s a ghost town for me, cos no-one I know uses it!

It’s definitely considerably less polished than mastodon, but I can’t help but fall in love with #distributed over #decentralised.

@GhostOnTheHalfShell

OK (I deleted my response as it wasn't useful. i.e., a bit of a rant)

If anything it shows one of the impersonal qualities of social networks where people don't know & don't try to know most of the people they "follow".

For example, we can have a more nuanced conversation with people that we know something about.

The psychological costs & benefits of online social networks are an area of scientific study.

Empiricism boosted

Dr. Peter Hotez, professor of pediatrics and molecular virology and microbiology at Baylor College of Medicine has been attacked all weekend by Musk and Rogan on the bird site. Dr Hotez is a vaccine scientist and a threat to disinformation con artists like the two twits mentioned above. He will have a new book out soon and it is important to spread his book title message far and wide.
#FactsMatter #DisinformationKills #VaccinesWork #Science #Medicine #Canada #USA

@DengueDucky

People choosing to delete their own context locally can be feature (or auto delete after a time period). However, once a person posts anything online you're essentially sharing that content.

I think scuttlebutt also has p2p encryption. So a person can securely share content.

@kjr

P2P networks can share (distribute) the storage (& use encryption). From what I've read, scuttlebutt can also use "pubs" that are on servers that store data. And "rooms" where people can connect. At the very least, a persons online identity ("followers", "follows", etc) should be controlled by the individual (autonomy \ independence) not the corporations or administration.

@trinsec

I can see scuttlebutt having all & more of the features of the fediverse. Would you prefer to own & control your own online identity? (Data) Or to trust the corporations or mastodon admins?

@psychocycle

It needs some work.

I'm interested in the scuttlebutt P2P protocol as that's more decentralised & more secure than the fediverse (a Mastodon instance can close down without warning, admin are often non known agents, etc)

From what l have read, there is a personal digital identity feature on scuttlebutt. Generally, scuttlebutt is more of a no trust network. In other words, people control their own account not some corporation or admin of an instance.

@dangeratio

@dangeratio

No. I'd prefer it if you used search engines to study the question you asked me as that information is relatively easy to find out for yourself.

I directed you to the relevant information.

@dangeratio

Scuttlebutt Protocol Guide

How Scuttlebutt peers find and talk to each other ssbc.github.io/scuttlebutt-pro

Secure Scuttlebutt (SSB) is a peer-to peer communication protocol, mesh network, and self-hosted social media ecosystem.[3][4] Each user hosts their own content and the content of the peers they follow, which provides fault tolerance and eventual consistency.[5] Messages are digitally signed and added to an append-only list of messages published by an author.[6] SSB is primarily used for implementing distributed social networks, and utilizes cryptography to assure that content remains unforged as it is propagated through the network. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_S

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