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@panduck @giamora

Almost 400 new mines needed to meet (only near term) future EV battery demand, data finds techinformed.com/almost-400-ne

An EV train users less (where less is more) resources and power to be manufactured and less (where less is more) resources to get 100 people from point A to B.

That's generally what is meant by degrowth. Using fewer resources to do generally the same activities.

"We need people to use (EV) public transport instead of buying cars"

Agreed ( & bicycles and EV bicycles as they're relatively a low resource and energy-efficient way to travel)

"We can try to do both"

The Planet can't sustain both. However, let's be real. Neoliberal (business people that promote more of their business) politicians and industries are promoting growth (more EV sales, More Aviation, more consumerism, etc = More ecological destruction)

Solution qoto.org/@Empiricism_Reloaded/

@panduck @giamora

To be clear. I'm 100% in favor of 100% replacing ALL the vehicles that burn fuels - as burning fuels (e.g., Diesel, Petrol, Biofuel, wood fuel [which is a biofuel]) emits nasty air pollution that harms people and the planet (biosphere).

I'm just stating the obvious. We can't solve one problem by making another (mining) problem worse (& mining & transporting those metals also use fossil fuels)

@panduck

Knowing how to & doing the actions that would mitigate climate is what l have dedicated most of my adult life to.

If you want to mitigate climate change - the general solution qoto.org/@Empiricism_Reloaded/

Wrong actions = mining the sea bed for resources so EVs, etc. can be made.

Redistributing resources (metal) & focusing on EV public transport & EV bicycles (small EV vehicles) is part of the general solution.

Billions of private EVs on a roadkill network isn't

@giamora

@giamora

EVs are made from metals & plastics. Mining for metal burns fossil fuels. (Crude Oil) Plastic is made from fossils fuels. Extracting fossil fuels burns fossil fuels.

EVs are made by burning Fossil fuels (resources & power to manufacture)

What about the roadkill network in which fossil fuels are burnt to construct, maintain?

The reason why your statement was misleading (probably not intentional, but..) is because you stated "EVs of all kinds".

@protecttruth

If the facts are that preventable deaths were caused by

1. Company covering up the data.
2. CEO lied to the public and said the cars are safer…

I'm no lawyer, but that's a crime.

But normal rules don't seem to apply to the rich elite.

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Call me old-fashioned, but if a car kills people at ten times the rate of other cars,
the company covers up the data,
and the CEO lies to the public and says the cars are safer…

I think that CEO should go to jail on fraud charges.
#Musk #fraud #DOJ #WhiteCollarCrimeSpiking
prospect.org/justice/06-13-202

@dangillmor

Musk has an extremely lot of money. How many "friends" does that buy?

When Chief Executive Officers, Corporations, Entrepreneurs and profit seekers in general, are not convinced that an open-source tech structure is the (private business) future of social networking, then we will have a social network that can't be corrupted by business-as-usual.


@giamora

Whilst billions of EVs on the roadkill network will clean up our local air, why do you believe that billions of EVs (that will eventually have to be replaced) will mitigate climate change?

Only a battery made from non-mined & biodegradable material would be affordable (for the planet).

"Globally those in slavery, though small in absolute numbers (est. 40.2 million), contribute disproportionately to environmental destruction and carbon emissions. If modern slaves were a country, they would be the third largest emitter of carbon dioxide in the world, after China and the United States"

From forests to factories: How modern slavery deepens the crisis of climate change, Energy Research & Social Science doi.org/10.1016/j.erss.2021.10.

@erinwhalen

A battery made from non-mined material would be affordable (for the planet).

From forests to factories: How modern slavery deepens the crisis of change, Energy Research & Social Science.

doi.org/10.1016/j.erss.2021.10

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@matthiasott

How did they mine the metal without using fossil fuels?

@openDemocracy

Fundamentally, anyone or any organization that claims burning anything is "green" is greenwashing or misinformed.

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@luckytran @iamjohnoliver

It's the drama that gets bums on seats.

If these "debate" shows had any credibility they'd be reporting the scientific consensus. But, they're interested in ratings not informing the viewers. Or if the TV shows have industry backers (e.g., the advertising industry) they're selling ideas to their consumer audience. Mitigating climate change would put many industries out of business.

Similar to the advertising algorithms used on corporately owned social networking sites.

The common denominator is the profit incentive, not the fact (evidence) incentive.

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Still my favorite segment about why it's a bad idea to participate in bad-faith "debates" about science. They only result in further amplifying disinformation.

"People still think this issue is open to debate, because on TV it is. It's always one person for one person against. When you look at the screen, it's 50/50, which is inherently misleading."
@iamjohnoliver

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To quote the book "The revolutionary book, Beyond the Limits, argued that society had gone into overshoot – a state of being beyond limits without knowing it: ‘we are overshooting such crucial resources as food and water while overwhelming nature with pollutants like those causing global warming’, and ‘a sustainable future will require profound social and psychological readjustments in the developed and developing world’. I read this in 1998 and was confused. Of course, we knew this – that was what Rio was all about. But why hadn’t governments acted on the information – or did they not want to know? I was heartened by
her conclusion that there could be a peaceful restructuring of the
‘system’ to a sustainable society, but concerned that evidence and
data were ‘useful, necessary and not enough’. So what else was
needed? " janedavidson.wales/press-and-r

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Welcome to the first Wales Net Zero 2035 Challenge: How could Wales feed itself by 2035?

Can you help us?
netzero2035.wales

#WNZ2035 #Wales #netzero #futuregen

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