If only one woman in the world dies from #abortion restriction none of us is free.
@IntegralDuChemin I don't understand. I also don't understand the position you're trying to imply with this. In favor of or against abortion restructions.
@stevenroose I'm furious that there are still women dying from this shit and even more that the Trump administration restricts access to contraception in poor countries only to gain evangelical votes. The Christian Right should finally go back to the swamp where it came from. No other developed country teaches abstinence instead of using contraception to prevent STI. No other country in the developed world has a teenage pregnancy rate this high and no other country sees climbing maternal mortality rates, lacks universal basic healthcare etc.
The richest nation in the world fails at delivering decent living conditions for much of its female population and exports this lunacy successfully to other countries. That's a complete desaster and even worse - it is preventable and completely against science.
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To be fair that isnt a very apt picture of america. While I do admit there are issues, legitimate ones, most of us are all taught in school in sex ed to use condoms, abstinence is rarely taught, and generally we are told to be responsible and understand the consequences of sex (and thus why contraception is imortant).
Even among the religious condoms are the norm. The stories you hear of teaching abstinence is an edge case, not the norm, among religious or otherwise.
@freemo @stevenroose May I ask in which state you grew up and when? Texas in the 2000s is different from California today or New York in the 80s. Only thing I like about abstinence teaching is that it includes how to be strong and say no, which could be communicated more in Europe as well. Honestly I'm glad if the horror stories you read are only a small part of a big picture but no German teacher would even suggest teaching intelligent design instead or along evolution. Hope, I'm not ranting too much, I don't want to be banned from qoto as I really like this instance 😃
Pennsylvania in the 80s. Though I have traveled and gotten a chance to know the culture in many states in the USA from the south, to the west, to the midwest.
@freemo @stevenroose Teenage pregnancy rates are in decline right now but I'm wondering what the Trump administration will deliver in the next years. Title X is a thing voted down by Democratic presidents and voted up by Republicans.
@freemo @stevenroose I respect your opinion although I would outlaw any ban on abortion in the first trimester and then be more liberal on allowing it up to short before birth. Maybe I'm too radical on that one but no restriction has ever helped on that one. I have not had an abortion yet and if I were over 2 months I would probably carry to term and then give it up to adoption. But it is not on me to impose my point of view on others. I can understand that aborting children up to viability and beyond must be hard and I would never do it myself except. But I cannot imagine that a woman chooses abortion lightheaded.
I can understand your view, but obviously disagree.
One needs to protect the decision not just of the mother, but of the unborn child, who doesnt have a voice. Ideally the rights of each should be preseved.
In my mind once a child develops a brain then it has a right to legal protection, within reason. That happens at about a month and a half to two months.
So for me the laws should be something like this
1) Abortion only legal in the first 2 months, after that there must be significant risk to the life of the mother to get an exception.
2) all legal abortions will be tax-payer funded, as well as condoms and birth control
3) PRegnancy tests will also be free and tax-payer funded.
Those three points are the only way I can see to preserve the right to life of all parties involved without creating unmitigated circumstances outside of the womans control, or denying her her right to abort.
@freemo @stevenroose I had no idea that brain development were that fast. In that case you might have a point. Concerning the rest I fully agree.
@IntegralDuChemin
Depends, I dont think youll ever see anyone pushing to make condoms or birth control illegal. The real issue is if they will allow health insurance to cover it. There is also potential for abortion to have limitations placed on it, but unlikely to make it illegal.
I'm all for any solution that strikes a balance between the valid points of both extremes on this argument. I dont think abortion should be illegal but it should be extremely limited, and certainly not up to the point of viability (or anywhere close to that), but I also think that onlyw orks if contraception and pregnancy tests are free and if abortion, when legal, is also free (included in insurance)
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