@FailForward

>"People who call themselves realists are often just dreamers who gottheir hearts broken somewhere along the way."

This reminds me of another quote in a different context:

"Conservatives are liberals who've been mugged."

Usually said by conservatives who consider themselves to be realists.

@FailForward

Conservatism is about fear of the future. Liberalism is about fear of the past.

@Pat

@FailForward

semantic arguments are boring. The definition of liberal you just gave I would call either classically liberal or libertarian. When I see liberal used on its own I see it as synonomous with the left and if a word is needed to be a bit more granular then liberal = neo-liberal.

That said semantics are stupid. Lets just replace the words I used with democrat and republican so there is no problem with quibbling over definitions.

@Pat