@Pat @admitsWrongIfProven

> If you have heard him say racist things in private, then I guess you can make an assessment based on that. I've only been around him once and I don't know him personally, so all I can go by is what he's said and done publicly.

Yea and I understand this will only effect my personal opinion. Which is why in these conversations I mostly stick to what is publicly seen and keep what ive seen in private and cant prove out of the convo. But it is important to point out that im influenced byt hese things personally

> Also, for me deeds carry much more weight than some carefully crafted political apology.

Nah, you need both... **especially** when it is in his best interest to hide his past and hope everyone forgets, which is what most people do. An apology would hurt his chances of be president, thats the ONLY reason its authentic. If it was recent then i would agree, the apology is just expected and wouldnt mean much.. but in this situation the apology would actually be authentic and meaningful, which is why he isnt giving one.

> But as I said, from now on I'm going purely on what gets done while officeholders are in office, not what they say. They haven't even come close to doing half of the stuff I want, so no incumbent will get my vote.

I care about the whole package.. most of what a president does we will never see, so we cant judge him on most of his actions. Which is why its so important I trust them and think they are a decent person. Because their actions are all a parade, the ones we see anyway.

> (Also, Biden helped kill about 800,000 Americans while he was in office during the pandemic, so...)

Thats a bit nuanced.. but I tend to agree that most leaders really didnt handle the pandemic well and Biden is no exception.