I have absolutely nothing against trans-men (or women) nor against members of the LGBTQIA+ community in general. However, it seems to be an acknowledged medical fact the level of of testosterone in a baby's bloodstream, even as early as in the womb has a significant effect on the development of bone and muscle mass so even if raised testosterone levels experienced by males in puberty is later prevented by the administration of medication. I fear that girls may therefore be significantly disadvantaged by having to compete against boys who have been "converted" to girls even if the "conversion" is made before puberty.
On the rape question:
unfortunately, much of the output from Hollywood and the US TV studios glorifies rape, violence and male privilege (what might be described as the right to rape). Young people take many of their cues from what they see on TV and in films so it isn't altogether surprising that rapes and other forms of sexual violence are commonplace in the US.
@Paulos_the_fog @pattykimura So strong boys with more muscle shouldn't be allowed to compete against ones with less muscle because that's unfair?
@ariaflame @Paulos_the_fog @pattykimura
To be fair, that's why some sports have weight categories. Boxing comes to mind, but there certainly are others too.
@trinsec @Paulos_the_fog @pattykimura Then matching people by whatever is important for that sport is more relevant than biological sex or gender (after all, a lot of sports segregation only happened because the women were winning too often I hear)
@ariaflame @Paulos_the_fog @pattykimura
Ooh, I'd love to know some more about your last sentence. Got some links? I'm genuinely curious. :)
I also kinda know of only one sport where men and women mixed is considered normal, that's Korfball.
@trinsec @Paulos_the_fog @pattykimura Not off the top of my head sorry. Just comes up a lot when this is discussed, but there are plenty of sports where raw muscle is not a particular advantage.
@ariaflame @trinsec @pattykimura
Good heavens!
What is the matter with everyone on here today!
Clearly, obviously, in sports where the bone strength or muscle mass advantage that may be occassioned by being born a male and thus being exposed to high testosterone levels, is not an issue, then there is no reason to deny transexuals and in particular M2F athletes, the right to compete on even terms with women in that sport - however, in that event perhaps we should be asking our athletics administrations why men and women cannot always compete together in such sports. It's a rational question.
To me it's self evident that the caveat about allowing transexuals to compete on equal terms with female athletes only applies if the having been a male previously is unfair to the lifetime female competitors!
@Paulos_the_fog @ariaflame @trinsec @pattykimura The problem is that your grasp of human developmental biology is just…really fucking incorrect. All you’re doing is parroting is transphobic propaganda, not actual scientific reality.
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Whether his take is wrong or right (and I think its wrong for a few reasons), it clearly isnt coming from a place of transphobia, at least not so far as anything he expressed would suggest. That said I do think he is wrong due to a more general bit of logic...
Ok so lets assume he is right about the fact that someone born a male and transitioned later will tend to have an advantage... Ok so if thats true what your telling me is if someone has a baby girl, and they inject that baby with testosterone at an early age, they will grow up to be a super athelete, and since as an adult they will have normal testosterone, but the effects linger from being a baby, they would be entierly legal to compete in the woman's division, and as I stated some sort of super athlete due to their childhood doping.
So what you've proven is the opposite of what you intended. You proved that a system which divides male-female based on their hormone levels in adulthood OR their birth sex, either system is invalid and easily gamed from either end... therefore you have proven the very need for a system that no longer divides athletes based on birth sex, and therefore must adapt fairly to transpeople somehow.
@freemo @turboquokka @ariaflame @trinsec @pattykimura
Thanks for that - you are right, I have no problem at all with Trans people so long as they don't jump down my throat for expressing my opinion.
I don't really have a need to put up with a pile-on over this, or indeed anything else, so I simply block anyone who gets in a strop - I'm here to enjoy myself not to be attacked by hysterical objectors to what I say!
I was hoping that this would be a more reasoned and measured place than the Vulture site - I was wrong!
@freemo @Paulos_the_fog @turboquokka @ariaflame @trinsec @pattykimura
Don't jump before looking where you are going to land.
@Paulos_the_fog @freemo @turboquokka @ariaflame @trinsec @pattykimura
This is the internet so try not to get upset. People with egos are likely very pathetic in person. With that being said, this was made by neckbeards for FOSS and possibly ranting about software licenses.
One should consider the argument as a whole before saying "...shoved down my throat..." It could have a meaning that makes a few onlookers crack a smile.
For the best experience it's advisable to just stick with people of similar values. Drama comes and it doesn't stop. The internet is where people can be whatever they want to be except free from tyranny.
Hope you have a good experience and everything gets settled.
@Paulos_the_fog
It depends largely on who you respond to as well. If someone is far-left or far-right you will usually get a pile on if you try to have any more moderate discussion. Likewise if you know the person and they are largely moderate and willing to discuss their views then you will have a receptive conversation.
If you are just commenting on strangers post you shouldnt be surprised you might be jumping into a group that falls anywhere on the ideological spectrum.
@turboquokka
@ariaflame @trinsec @pattykimura