Yeah this shit hit me in the face with a dose of perspective. Even though we have come a long way we can't pretend the effects of slavery aren't just over the horizon if history.

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@freemo I'm glad it's over; I haven't said that the history of slavery and racism hasn't had an effect on the community; I do think that that particular subculture is now cowering from a threat that anymore is virtually gone.

And the radical left (so not most people, but a disturbingly high number) is now trying to exact some sort of societal race-based reparation scheme, even though I for one am "white" but am not and never have been a racist or supported race-based programs.

Peterson's research paper "You Can Neither Remember Nor Forget What You Do Not Understand" says that one of the hallmarks of impending genocide is the inculcation of a victimhood culture on the part of the perpetrating group. I don't think we're at that stage, but the fact that we're taking a step in that direction at all is troubling.

@4of92000 Well it is over. But that doesnt mean that the people alive today aren't suffering as a result of it.

If the government came in and took all your money and beat you to the point of having PTSD, then right after doing that made it illegal for the government to do that, it would be perfectly acceptable for you to complain about your shitty situation just because it is now illegal.

The black community is poor with very little to show for it, they were denied education too for many generations. These effects are very hard to overcome and it is completely valid to recognize the issue that remains even if legally we have made some progress in preventing it getting any worse.

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I just don't see what else there is to do besides admit that "our culture was pretty fucked up" that doesn't end in an injustice in its own right.

Again, not saying it isn't bad. I am saying that it's been two generations and change, and while that's nothing on the grand scheme of things, it is enough so that I (a white guy) am not complicit in any of that shit (which, shit it was) at all.

So the problem isn't the memory per se, and I'm not saying it's entirely blacks' fault (because that would be idiotic). But if anyone says that I personally owe "the black community" anything besides that which I owe any other human or group thereof, I'm calling bullshit.

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@4of92000 @freemo I guess you owe them sympathy and empathy. Like everyone else.

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