Dee @deesapoetra@qoto.org

@Acer well. Because fingerprint are unique. You can't generate a key with same fingerprints twice and that i think is enough for a method of proof.

@Acer most likely or just a missclick.

@Acer i can vouch for your key by signing if you want to. But that defeats the purpose isn't it.
The key (not literally as in key in "public key" . But instead "the main idea" in a system) is "web of trust"

@Acer yes. Pardon the typo.

@K3M9F7W2AA Ah yes!
My friend told he had cold and suddenly he dropped dead tommorow morning.
It must be cold that's killing him!

@Acer well. I can put my public key fp and then upload my photos later with me mentioning it on a paper.
That's one way.

@Acer wait is it comment section or just a section where there's a list of people whk signed your key? I forgot. I never upload my key to a keyserver

@Acer yep. Unless you want someone to vouch for it.
Some PKI like ubuntu keyserver provide comments section if i'm not mistaken.

@Acer ah yes i must mixing thing up a bit.
I always refer certificate as "CA".
Central Authority is just them vouching for your key

@Acer i should've wrote "PKI" instead of "PKI Infrastructure lol"

@Acer well. Here's a good way to look at it.
I publish my public key. And i mentioned it in social media for example.
People would vouch for my key that way.

Or... i can built an internal web of trust when we were actually friends with each other in real life and would vouch each other key.

@Acer because you still the one who generate the CA and sent it to some ca issuer that could vouch for your ca.

@vikinghoader hi homies! Please enjoy your stay!

@Acer You can't. The idea of having PKI infrastructure wasn't meant to confirm your identity.
Instead it was built on as a "web of trust" where people can vouch if it's really your key.

@freemo oh. I will drop this video here since it kinda inline with my thoughts on MAPs.

https://youtu.be/WyPnFYjHVPU

@freemo > “How can we be sure about it?” let me ask you, obviously if i asked you “are you a murderer” you would say no… how can I be sure about it?

Well that's interesting take.

> The answer would be, because I have no evidence you are one, you never promoted murder, I have never seen you act on murder, and you claim not to be a murderer. So can I be 100% sure, no, but without evidence that is good enough.

>Why is a MAP any different?

"You had no evidence" is a good argument. But it doesn't mean it can't be true right?

I can be a murderer and still agree with this point since i will murder anyone anyway if they reveals my secret.
That's why murderer (the one who's guilty with the intentionally charge one) are always had some type mental illness.

It's a bit of a reach. But i hope you get the idea.
It basically correlate with how a person would act when they given no repercussion.

> You never promoted murder.

In this context MAPs. They trying to normalize being MAPs. That's enough promotion for me.

Aight i think that's enough for today Mr. Freemo.
We will continue this conversation tommorow morning if you don't mind.
It's 1:39 AM here.
Have a great day/evening!

@freemo
It's indeed morally correct to not judge people based on their feeling or urges alone Mr. Freemo and i'm all for it.
But i think In this case it just adding another layer to the problem.
Like.
"Okay. So i will not judge you for what you are. But how can we be sure about it? We just take your words and hope nothing bad would happen?"

We don't gave the benefit of the doubt for something we would doubt to.

That alone will set back the arguments.

@freemo
but again Mr. Freemo.
Minority Attracted Person or a MAP is an umbrella term for a group of people who's consideres as "pedophilia, hebephilia, and ephebophilia"
and i'm sure all the "phelia" there means "sexual drive".

I'm afraid that most of those MAPs are taking the words literally. Which they shouldn't. Since it never meant to be that way, it's just a term that coined by psychiatrist so the patients wouldn't felt like crap about himself.

> The reason why they being vocal

We can't be sure about that.
Unless there's a selected psychiatrist moderating their group.
Talking about mental illness with another mentally ill person wouldn't help.
It only provide false hope, at least that's what my psychiatrist said.