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@louis What is?
@louis Yes I better understand your stance. I dont agree with it entirely but I do understand what you were trying to say now.
On the one hand I do agree that most psychiatric disorders are a bit arbitrary. In the sense that they just describe arbitrary set of behaviors that tend to be self destructive. They are not particularly special compared to any other personality traits you could describe
The key here is two fold though. 1) that these traits are self-destructive, thus why psychiatry or other forms of help are important. 2) Medications DO help, and some people need them and they are certainly better off than not having them. Of course a person should strive to not need them, as a solution with fewer meds has fewer side effects (like being a zombie). But they are often a necessary stepping stone (and for some perpetual). I have seen it work for people who otherwise would have killed themselves long ago. Solutions arent perfect though sadly. So they dont always work either.
You need first to learn basics, then talk of the surface. There is no real help in drugs that make person dumb, and senseless, it does not solve any problem, neither ever solved.
@louis Depends on which psychiatrist we are talking about. I have no doubt there have been plenty of prejudice psychiatrists and teachings throughout the years. That is true of almost any subject sadly. But I dont think that it is valid to make those statements as sweeping statements of all psychiatric or even the majority of modern day psychiatry.
As for solving problems, it depends. Generally what it does is put someone in a sane enough head space to seek therapy, then (at least sometimes) get healthy enough to get off the medicings.
I know countless people who spent many years suicidal and depressed. Some of them went on medication and a few years later with therapy were better, their problem was "solved". Even though they cant solve everyone's problems medication can be a route to a solution for many.
I gave you facts, facts are undisputable.
Read:
Tiffany Fawn Jones is an Associate Professor of African History at California State University, San Bernardino, California. Her research interests lie in the intersection between ideas of health, race, gender, sexuality and power structures in Africa. She has published widely and is the book review editor for Notes and Records: an International Journal on Africa and the African Diaspora and the copy editor for the Journal of Retracing Africa
https://www.amazon.com/Psychiatry-Institutions-Apartheid-African-Studies/dp/0415886678
Do you want to say that the fact hat psychiatry abused gay people for them being gay is not a fact, for reason that CCHR is disseminating that fact?
Do you want to say that CCHR as organization have not done good for mankind, for example, by disclosing the circumstances of apartheid, and racial profiling, concentration camp, made by psychiatry in South Africa?
Facts friend. We speak of facts, not personal feelings.
But research yourself along the lines: https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/12-shocking-facts-psychiatric-drugs/
Do you know about FDA warnings issued on many psychiatric drugs in USA?
I was in Berlin museum of holocaust. There are letters issues, and one letter is significant, it says WHY to kill the not-worthwhile live, the reason WHY is that all jews, Africans, gypsies, and few other groups, like German retarded people, some religious groups were regarded as shizophrenic.
That is not medicine, that is psychiatrist opinion.
Their ideas and activities last after the war. But instead of burning people in concentration camps, they deal with dangerous mind altering drugs.
Facts cannot be disputed. We can speack and say it is not so, but reality is there out to be found easily, I gave you few references where you can find the facts.
All I know is i studied a lot of psychiatry and while some people will always be racist it is clear to me the study and science is largely not racist in how it is structured.
There is a lot of racism historically, no doubt, but that doesnt invalidate the modern science now that we have eliminated the bulk of that racism from the science.
I jusge if someone or something is racist not be how it was 100+ years ago but by how it is now.
there is fact, that Germany psychiatrist formed the idea and thought to kill the not-worthwhile lives. This is meant for jews. All holocaust is based on those ideas. Coercive sterilisation was psychiatric surgery. Those are undisputed facts.
Agreed if a source or even a person has very clear bias and agenda, rather than an objective evaluation of fact, it usually means its too low a priority on my to-do list for me to get to it. It isnt about willful ignorance so much as just prioritizing your time to bes maximize how you learn useful new information. Discredited sources generally waste time in that pursuit more than other ventures.
