@freemo sorry, no bad intentions. Depression as label is created. That people get into troubles is true. That is one subject, but that it is created as label is different subject, and that is for profit only, for psychiatry. Drugs do not help any depression, they may just let person become a walking zombie, but is that help?

@louis Yes I better understand your stance. I dont agree with it entirely but I do understand what you were trying to say now.

On the one hand I do agree that most psychiatric disorders are a bit arbitrary. In the sense that they just describe arbitrary set of behaviors that tend to be self destructive. They are not particularly special compared to any other personality traits you could describe

The key here is two fold though. 1) that these traits are self-destructive, thus why psychiatry or other forms of help are important. 2) Medications DO help, and some people need them and they are certainly better off than not having them. Of course a person should strive to not need them, as a solution with fewer meds has fewer side effects (like being a zombie). But they are often a necessary stepping stone (and for some perpetual). I have seen it work for people who otherwise would have killed themselves long ago. Solutions arent perfect though sadly. So they dont always work either.

@freemo Psychiatry is not any help, it is root of racism, root of nazism, Eugenics is root of psychiatry, their goal is to eradicate all insane volk, and so they do it with drugs instead with ovens like in Nazi Germany.

You need first to learn basics, then talk of the surface. There is no real help in drugs that make person dumb, and senseless, it does not solve any problem, neither ever solved.

@louis Depends on which psychiatrist we are talking about. I have no doubt there have been plenty of prejudice psychiatrists and teachings throughout the years. That is true of almost any subject sadly. But I dont think that it is valid to make those statements as sweeping statements of all psychiatric or even the majority of modern day psychiatry.

As for solving problems, it depends. Generally what it does is put someone in a sane enough head space to seek therapy, then (at least sometimes) get healthy enough to get off the medicings.

I know countless people who spent many years suicidal and depressed. Some of them went on medication and a few years later with therapy were better, their problem was "solved". Even though they cant solve everyone's problems medication can be a route to a solution for many.

@louis @freemo CCHR is a propaganda machine with the aim to steer people from medical science toward Scientologist mythology and so-called treatment.
@louis @freemo Before I invest a single minute into investigating the claims from a source, it at least needs to have some shred of credibility or I'm just wasting my time and effort.
@clacke @freemo did that offend your feelings? Not my intention. You started discussion after I have given you hyper-space of references, without checking out one reference, sure we can talk, but it is about personal opinions, not facts
@louis @freemo I am just issuing a warning to others that might be unsuspecting and take CCHR for a serious source. I have said what I wanted to say.
@clacke @freemo https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenik#Alfred_Erich_Hoche_und_Karl_Binding

there is fact, that Germany psychiatrist formed the idea and thought to kill the not-worthwhile lives. This is meant for jews. All holocaust is based on those ideas. Coercive sterilisation was psychiatric surgery. Those are undisputed facts.
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