@iankenway Sounds like a good plan, just make sure getting a photo id is a free process with good help and there are no issues from me, I support this

@freemo But it won't be a free process and it is very unlikely that people will receive any help whatsoever. All it is likely to do is disenfranchise the following groups: the poor, the vulnerable, young people and the very old. Not good. Ultimately just a cynical bid to skew the franchise as has been happening in the USA over past nine years. See:

brennancenter.org/our-work/res

@iankenway Sounds like that is **not** an argument against Ids and **is** an argument for making sure that process becomes free and provides better assistance.

It seems to me lunacy to look at the flaws in that system and go "it is wrong to require IDs" rather than "It is wrong to charge for IDs"...

Dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution, support IDs, oppose ID fees.

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I think the argument for ID is far from straightforward. There are many issues here. Some of them are historical, some of them are cultural, some of them philosophical and some of them technical. It's not just about cost and access. See:

ft.com/content/2ec95b9a-4709-1

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@iankenway I've read them, at least from a USA perspective. I think most of those points outside of the technical however are non points.

I dont care so much if someone in the past happened to be oppressed by ID laws, I care more about ensuring ID laws in the present dont oppress anyone.

Culture and history are no excuse for not doing things right (Effectively) in the present, although we should learn from those mistakes.

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