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Funny, remember how all the liberals complained about the heinous injustice of Trump using executive orders excessively.... well surprise surprise Biden issued many times over what Trump issued in executive orders already. In fact in just one day in office Biden had already twice the number of executive orders as Trump had after 2 weeks... funny dont hear a single liberal complaining, not one... its almost as if they were just complaining because it was a republican doing it and they have complete double standards... nah that couldnt be it right?

@cjd@mastodon.social @freemo@qoto.org america was founded as a country that can go to war with anyone and act ike it doesnt want war at the same time

@freemo

Nobody was complaining just because he used execs. We were complaining because Republicans criticized Obama for his executive orders, then immediately cheered Trump for boasting about all of his executive orders in one of his first news releases.

Now half of Biden's orders are undoing what Trump did, and others apply only to the federal government, which is perfectly within his bounds.

And it's BS to measure first 24 hours. Let's see how he does over time

@bnmng You may have been saying that, but that certainly wasnt what I saw from the vast majority of people, not one of them even mentioned obamaor the points you mention

> And it's BS to measure first 24 hours. Let's see how he does over time

We already did, i showed the 24 hour stat, which was horrendous, but the other image shows the 100 day stat comparison and he is already ahead of every other president after 100 days, and he hasnt even been in office 100 days yet...

So yea, pretty horrific track record so far (and this is barely the start of it, he already undid trumps scaling down of our nuclear arsenal too by pushing forward on R&D of one of the biggest nukes in US history compared to trump who largely scaled down the yield of the bombs in our arsenal)

@bnmng Oh and by the way, over the course of their career Obama has more presidential Orders (which would include memoranda and executive orders which are both functionally similar) than Trump has.. so even if we do bring this back to Obama vs Trump the liberals are still the ones in the shitter

@freemo
Not sure about memoranda - have to take your word for that. People defended Trump saying his exec orders were less overreach by nature than Obama's. I disagreed, but I think it applies to Biden. He's undoing Trump's executive orders and dealing with a national crisis which demands immediate action.

@bnmng And Trump didnt have a national emergency to deal with? This is my point.. liberals always find the excuses when they do the things they complain about, suddenly they find a reason to make it ok. The truth is this should have never been an issue in the first place, but liberals spent 4 years turning mole hills into mountains :)

@freemo
Liberals aren't the only ones who find excuses to support their own team and damn the other. Consider national debt, family values, military service, honesty.

@bnmng I never said liberals were the only ones, but we are talking about liberals, what other people do is no excuse.. you can say "yea we are bad people, but look at bob over there, he is a bad person, so its ok"

@bnmng @freemo sounds like some real whataboutism you got there.

@anonymoose @freemo

Ok... you got me on that maybe, but I felt picked on for something everyone does

@bnmng

The truth is the liberals the past 4 years have been completely off their rocker with the accusations.. Trump sucked, he sucked bad, so did Obama, so did Bush.. plenty of things to complain about. But after 4 years of liberals lying 24/7 and exaggerating every little thing to the most extreme proportions it is pretty damning to now see them blind to Biden.

we literally have the first segregationist president in office in living history, a man who started his whole career to try to support segregation and to stop desegregation efforts... there could not be a bigger disgrace, and the liberals who are suppose to care about racism and be appalled at such things are all of a sudden silent after 4 years of throwing a fit every time Trump put ketchup on a steak.

If the only excuse liberals have is "well the right does some shitty stuff, so were good".. sorry, thats a horrible excuse.

@anonymoose

@freemo @bnmng to be totally fair, you'd have to pro-rate obama's because he was in office twice as long.

@anonymoose

It was prorated, the numbers were looked at with comparable time periods in all cases.

@bnmng

@louiscouture Both? Both who? We are only talking about liberals.. who is the other group your talking about and why is it relevant?

@freemo oh because republicans literally impeached over a blowjob but seems to be totally fine with encouraging a coup,

@louiscouture Not true.. they impeached because a president lied, under oath, and in court... thats pretty serious. The fact that he used his position to take advantage of a woman isnt the best but it is not what he was impeached over.

Trump on the other hand never planned or asked anyone to do a coup. The moment any violence broke out he immediately was on TV asking everyone to go home and asking for there to be no violence.. he did not start, encourage, or perpetuate a coup.

Now what Trump was legitimately guilty of was being a fucking nut job conspiracy theorist and spreading that bullshit and others believed him... Which is totally legitimate to dislike Trump for that, but it is hardly illegal.

@louiscouture I've read this before.. does not disprove a single thing i just said.

@freemo it’s pretty obvious so I don’t know why you say this

@louiscouture Not sure how any of that even remote supports your point.. those words and those instructions have been given countless time sto countless crowds in similar political protests.. marching on the capitol and "fighting for our rights" is a very common motif and never once represented someone intentionally inciting a coup.

@freemo no other president ever said “fight, don’t concede” The context clearly shows that he’s trying to incite them

@louiscouture actually several have, in fact i had this conversation just a week or two ago and found quotes of both kamala and biden using very similar wording in the past.

@freemo not in this context.

Clinton conceded

Romney conceded

McCain conceded

Gore conceded

Trump never conceded

@louiscouture @freemo We never got any meaningful answers to the elections from the courts. None. Many dismissed cases on standing, latches or procedural grounds. Wisconsin took a case, but decided it without arguments, ruling they had standing but didn't see merits. Thrown in there were idiots and morons like Wood and Powell with their terrible suits with massive issues; right next to well researched suits like the one out of Texas.

What are the people to do when the system designed to give relief fails utterly and completely?

@djsumdog @freemo when one side doesn’t have a valid case, it’s normal that the courts don’t want to hear.

@louiscouture

Agreed, Trump's lack of evidence means he wont get a court case heard in many circumstances, thats normal and the appropriate response.

Also many courts **did** take his case and he still lost.. so its moot either way.

@djsumdog

@freemo @louiscouture I disagree especially in the State Farm Arena. Observers were removed and counting continued. The pipe/water break never happened. They did image recounts instead of hand recounts at first. They never did a meaningful canvas. They never did signature checks on the recounts. There were tons of dead people and double votes under maiden names.

Observers were removed in Nevada, Philadelphia, and kept away at a distance so far they couldn't challenge any ballots.

Did Trump win or loose? Who the fuck knows. It's impossible to know when you dump hundreds of thousands of unsolicited mail-in ballots into the system.

Does Trump talk like an idiot? Sure, he's annoying to listen to. Should he have fought? Absolutely. The election irregularities were massive.

Election fraud is always difficult to prove. That's why they did it.

It doesn't matter what you believe about it; this is the most contentious election in recent American history. We've had worse of course. We've had a president elected without the popular or electoral vote. But it's the most significant one from our lifetimes.

That causes instability and a loss of confidence. If Biden was so sure of his 80m vote victory, why is there a military occupation in DC and why is he questioning the loyalty of military officers? That is not a sign of confidence. That's fear.

@djsumdog

We can go through each of those points one by one.. each are pretty trivially debunked with a little research.

For example in philadelphia, observers were allowed in all the places the law allows them to be (and have been allowed in previous elections). The argument made is that they were denied access to certain areas where poll watchers are and always have been explicitly denied access to.. so whats the legal argument there your trying to make at all? Where is the unfairness.. it was handled exactly as it was supposed to be.

@louiscouture

@freemo @louiscouture

Poll worker denied access in Nevada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2V5hPPp6w

In Detroit, they cheered when they removed GOP Observers: https://twitter.com/aricnesbitt/status/1324105401814626304

I covered a lot of this back in November: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/the-return-of-american-corruption/

How exactly do you "debunk" the counting continuing after the "pipe burst" in Fulton Co?

@djsumdog

Whats to debunk, we know what happened quite well, the pipe burst, **part** of the building was evacuated. The part where they were counting the ballots wasnt effected and the ballot counting continued after the pipe break, which occured in a different area of the building.

Whats even to debunk, there is literally no evidence anything other than what i just recited occured.

@louiscouture

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@djsumdog

Bullshit, many cases were heard, the courts gave very clear answers. In some situations courts of course didnt hear cases, largely because **there was no evidence**... The courts responded exactly how they should have, Trump was wrong, dead wrong, and he had no evidence. There is nothing wrong with how the courts responded.

I am not and never would argue Trumps stance was right, it wasn't, he lost and he was a pathetic sore loser who couldn't handle that. But it is still laughable to claim he intentionally started a coup.

@louiscouture

@louiscouture

Yes they did, and yes Trump didnt.. at best that allows you to say Trump is a sore loser, and I would agree with you on that. You can also say he is a conspiracy theorist, I would also agree with you on that. But none of that makes your earlier statement true. Thinking you lost an election unfairly (and being wrong about it) and wanting to fight to right that perceived wrong, through the courts, through protests, through government action, is all fine, it doesnt make you the master mind behind a coup, it just makes him an idiot.

@freemo there is nothing wrong with thinking the election was unfair, but inciting violence is clearly not.

Watch the video

We’re gonna walk to the capitol, and I’m coming with you

m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/just

@louiscouture he did not "incite violence".. again walking to the capitol is a pretty standard protest tactic.. the million man march marched on the capitol too. The idea of marching on the capitol in protest is a **very** common motif so your arguments are really really weak, these exact words have been said a hundred times over from a hundred different politicians in similar settings.

@louiscouture it also is a horrifically inaccurate account (to be expected considering the source which is pretty bias)... but thats another matter.

@louiscouture I wouldnt use the term Fake News.. discredited for sure though. It is clear their intention is not an objective analysis of both sides.. it is pretty obvious by the wording and context the intention is to sell a particular political perspective... is that not even obvious to you? seems pretty obvious to me, you just happen to agree with that agenda, but you suddenly become blind to the bias just because the bias is the same as yours?

@freemo ok,

1) what’s the agenda, where is the agenda? Trump lost and Biden won and there was next to no voter fraud, and if there was, it wouldn’t change the outcome.

2) Facts aren’t opinions, you don’t have two side of the same fact.

@louiscouture

> what’s the agenda, where is the agenda?

What do youmean where is the agenda. Its literally right in the **title**

> ...of how Trump incited...

The very title says "We have decided that Trump is guilty of inciting a coup and here are all the reasons you should agree with our agenda to sell that perspective.

Any news agency that had even a smidgen of journalistic integrity would not be telling you how to interpret the days events they would simply give an unbiased accounted of what happened, both supporting and contradicting any such agenda, and let the reader decide what conclusions to draw.

The article has no intention of doing that, they have a very clear agenda and the article is cherry picked and written to try to support that agenda, so very clear bias. Not a single mention of any counter points that might lead someone to disagree. That is **not** journalism.

> Trump lost and Biden won and there was next to no voter fraud, and if there was, it wouldn’t change the outcome.

Yes he did... your point?

> Facts aren’t opinions, you don’t have two side of the same fact.

What someone deems to be a fact (true) or not **is** a matter of opinion.. your opinion is that trump tried to incite a coup, you have the **opinion** that that is a fact. I am of the opinion he did not try to start a coup, I declare that him intentionally inciting a coup is **not** a fact.

There may be only one of those two facts which are true, but your opinion as to which of them that they are, and my opinion are still opinions. Saying "Facts dont care about your opinions" is a pretty dumb argument considering as it doesnt do anything to help support that your opinion of what is fact is any more valid than mine.

There's evidence of voter fraud, but it's proven that the election was rigged. Silican Valley engaged in a massive disinfo campaign, Democrats and others changed election laws illegally, illegitimate voting methods were used, and I'm sure there's more. Had Trump did that, there would have been massive riots over it, not just some lecturn being stolen and some broken glass.
@louiscouture @freemo

@wishgranter14

not really.. yes there is a lot of disinformation, and that disinformation poured in from both sides, so neither gets to play the good guy in that respect, though I admit liberals are a bit more guilty of that the last 4 years, but when a democrat president is in the republicans are the more guilty party in that regard.. either way both sides did it in spades.

There were virtually no illegal election changes. All changes were perfectly legal except for one that I know of which effected about a dozen votes total and didnt appear to be an attempt at rigging an election so much as just a poorly constructed law that was overthrown. For the most part there is no evidence to back up your stance in any meaningful way.

@louiscouture

Google vomited a steady stream of garbage news from news.google.com. Everyday it was bullshit articles about how Trump's hair was unpresidential and other garbage like that, with ZERO actual news. I'm not on facebook and twitter, but they openly admitted they were doing the same thing. By supressing news favorable to Trump, and promoting anti-Trump news, they created an information bubble. Yea, it wasn't literal "fake news" per se, but it might as well have been. It was akin to having someone screaming bullshit in your ear when you're trying to read in the library. This is unlike pizzagate and other conspiracies, because these did not have the backing of the inner mechanisms of the internet. I can shitpost pizzagate crap 24/7 as an individual, but that's not the same thing as removing likes/view from videos that promote Trump or anti-Joe youtube videos or news articles or alter the algorithm so that I get only anti-Trump/pro-Dem search results. Which is a whole other level of information manipulation.

Election laws were illegally changed to allow for votes to be counted without signature checks, by getting judges to change them, instead of going through the state legislature. This is illegal under the Pennsylvania Constitution, and I'm sure the same for Georgia too.

Mail-in ballots is an illegitimate method voting based on the fact that it cannot be cast anonymously.

Theses illegal and unethical things affected 100s of thousands, probably millions of votes in Joe's favor.
@freemo @louiscouture

@wishgranter14

I agree, the news had shitposted like crazy trying to destroy trump and exaggerate every nonsense thing.. but the republican news does the **exact** same thing. The issue here is that the democrats just happened to do it better, and it won them an election. I am not saying that is ok, its completely unacceptable. But the republicans should have thought of that and not acted the same way and then maybe they would come out smelling like roses.

Instead as far as I can see it both sides have been completely bat shit crazy slinging shit for over a decade and the liberals just happened to out exaggerate the right and won. Yea its wrong, yea it should get the democrats abolished, but it should also get the republicans abolished for doing the same thing, they dont get a free pass just cause they did a shittier job at it.

> Election laws were illegally changed to allow for votes to be counted without signature checks, by getting judges to change them, instead of going through the state legislature. This is illegal under the Pennsylvania Constitution, and I'm sure the same for Georgia too.

You will have to site the specific examples if you want to discuss this point. I have reviewed a shit ton of law changes on this topic and have yet to find one that is illegal and effected any significant number of votes.

> Mail-in ballots is an illegitimate method voting based on the fact that it cannot be cast anonymously.

Wait what, no votes are cast anonymously, including mail in ballots. Which have been a legitimate form of voting for multiple elections now. They were used and legal when Trump won too, why were you up in arms about it then, you had 4 years to get it changed before Trump lost, after which any such efforts are too little too late.

@louiscouture

Republicans do not control the infrastructure of the internet. Google does.

Republicans do not control who gets banned/shadowbanned on Twitter/Facebook, nor do they control what gets trending and what doesn't. Jack and Mark do.

Same with Youtube. Google controls what get trending, it suppresses and alters view count and likes to skew its own algorithm. In this way, it suppresses content they deem wrongthink.

This is entirely different than a co-ordinated group of Republicans, or leftists for that matter, organizing together on a hashtag "campaign" or whatever social media campaign.

This explains how they changed the signature verification in pennsylvania illegally: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/07/levin_why_pennsylvania_mail-in-ballot_changes_are_unconstitutional.html

>no votes are cast anonymously
No, you're wrong. In a traditional lever machine voting booths, they are cast in secret. It's the same with the scanning machines. Your vote is literally anonymous. There is no way to determine who voted for who, although there are methods to determine whether you voted or not. (I mean, if you voted at the physical polling station) A secret ballot is crucial to a free and fair election. Otherwise, you can be extorted, votes can be bought, etc. You cannot cast a mail-in ballot in secret, therefor it is an illegitimate method of voting.
@freemo @louiscouture
Levin: Why Pennsylvania Mail-in-Ballot Changes Are Unconstitutional

FNC host Mark Levin comments on voting fraud in the 2020 election: MARK LEVIN, FOX NEWS: Hello America I'm Mark Levin and this is Life Liberty and Levin and I'm glad you're with us. Fraud in an election. What is fraud? There's criminal fraud, there's civil fraud, what happens when a state abandons completely its constitution? The Supreme Court of that state conducts itself lawlessly? Is that fraud? I'm talking about a battleground state called the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. It has one of the oldest legislatures in our country, one of the oldest constitutions in our country. We all know Philadelphia is the birthplace of our country, that's where the Declaration of Independence was written, and where the Constitution was written. It's a very, very important battleground state. And the Democrats wanted to make sure, that in 2020, it came out for Biden, because in 2016, it came out for Trump. You hear this phrase, systemic fraud, "there's no evidence of systemic fraud," you see reporters interviewing "officials" of various state governments saying, "there's no fraud whatsoever." Let me ask you a question, fourteen months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you had voted by mail-in ballot, it would have been discarded. If that mail-in ballot had been counted, it would have been fraud. 14 months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you sent in a ballot without a signature, the ballot would be discarded. If it was counted, that would be criminal fraud. 14 months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you sent in a ballot with a signature that didn't match the signature that they had on file, that would be discarded, if it was counted, that would be criminal fraud. 14 months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you sent in a ballot beyond election day, it wouldn't be counted, if it was, that would be fraud. If you sent in a ballot without a postal date stamped on it, it wouldn't be counted, and if it was, that would be fraud. Or, if you sent in a ballot where they couldn't tell what the date was, if there was a smudge on the ink, it wouldn't be counted, and if it was counted, that would be fraud. All of those ballots today, count. They were all counted in Pennsylvania, because of unconstitutional and illegal changes that were made by officials, quote, unquote, "officially," by individuals in Pennsylvania. None of this is discussed in a single news room on a single news TV show, radio show, or any other show. So, I want to slowly walk you through what took place in Pennsylvania, and this sort of thing has taken place to some degree or another in numerous states. October, 2019, fourteen months ago, the Republican state legislature of Pennsylvania passed an omnibus bill called Act 77. In Act 77 they included language there changing the election laws to allow universal mail-in voting. The problem is, Pennsylvania, being an old state, having an old constitution, one of the original state legislatures didn't allow that, there wasn't even early voting in Pennsylvania. And the only way you could have a mail-in vote was through the absentee ballot, and you had to go through a process there, a multi-step process in order to get an absentee ballot. Well, you might say, well what about Covid-19? In October, 2019, there was no Covid-19, was there? There was no virus. This push for mail-in voting has been going on with the Democrats for at least a decade. One of the first places they imposed it was in California, and they've tried to do this in every state. So the Republican state legislature in Pennsylvania buckled. They passed it as I said in an omnibus bill, and the Democrat governor, who is a leftist, signed it almost immediately. And in fact, in all of the statewide offices in Pennsylvania, you have left-wing Democrats in those offices, and you have a Republican legislature. Okay, that's the mail-in voting, what else happened? What else happened was, the governor didn't think it went far enough. He went to the legislature and he said, you know the signature requirements, we really shouldn't have that, the postmark requirements, we really don't need that, these other requirements that it has to be in by election day, there ought to be a few more days after election day where we can count the ballots, and the legislature said, no, no, we're not going to do that. He said, oh yes you are. So he winds up going to the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania has seven justices. A couple of years ago they had an election for three justices, the republicans really weren't paying attention to it, the democrats were, and they backed three hardcore leftists for the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. Among other things, they were thinking of 2020. The labor unions poured in a fortune, the teacher unions poured in fortune, the usual groups poured in a fortune, and they won all three seats. And now the makeup of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is, as I said the members are elected, is five to two Democrat. And the Democrats, when it comes to election law, those five stick together. Much like the three Democrats and John Roberts on the US Supreme Court. So, what did the Democrats do? They said, well you know what, we have a good idea, a few months before the election, they said, yes, no signatures required, you don't need signature comparisons, you don't need a postal date, and if the postal date is smudged, you are to count it anyway, oh and yes, even though election day ends on Tuesday at 8pm ET, we are going to extend it to 5pm ET on Friday. They had no legal or constitutional basis for doing any of that. So they violated Article II Section 1 Clause 2 of the United States Constitution which leaves the power to the state legislature to make the election laws. Now let's circle back, stay with me here, the reason why reporters don't cover this is either they are left-wing, or they're too stupid to follow this. The moment the state legislature in October 2019 passed the change to its election laws with mail-in voting as the base, they violated the state constitution of Pennsylvania. Now, why is that? Under the constitution of Pennsylvania, if there are to be any election law changes, you have to amend the constitution. Did they amend the constitution? No. What's required to amend the constitution of Pennsylvania? It's very complicated. There needs to be a majority vote of both houses of the state legislature, not once, but twice. Then there needs to be a respite. Then there needs to be ads in at least two papers in every county in Pennsylvania, all 67 counties, then there needs to be a respite. Then, finally, the citizenry of Pennsylvania get to vote on whether or not they want the amendment, it has to be on the ballot. Did that happen? No, it didn't happen. The citizenry of Pennsylvania, we talk about disenfranchisement, they weren't asked to vote on this change in election laws for mail-in ballots let alone all these other changes that the supreme court made, they weren't asked at all, they were utterly disenfranchised. So the state legislature in October 2019 acted unconstitutionally. The governor, by signing it, acted unconstitutionally. The state supreme court by changing even the unconstitutional law acted unconstitutionally, plus violated Article II. This matter has now been appealed to the United States Supreme Court. You have some courageous individuals in Pennsylvania including Congressman Mike Kelly, Sean Parnell, who ran for the house in Pennsylvania and six other petitioners that said, wait a minute, this whole thing is a disaster. We're going to sue that this whole thing is unconstitutional. So they sue, it goes to the commonwealth judge, appellate judge, and she's very courageous, and she rules, yes, I'm going to put in place a temporary injunction, the Pennsylvania governor, Secretary of State, both Democrats, stop certifying electors, we're going to have a hearing in my court on Friday, two days later, and I'm putting in a temporary injunction because the petitioners are likely to succeed and win on the merits. Wow! The Attorney General who is also a left-wing Democrat, who was also on the ballot at the time, he said, no, no, we want to subvert the appellate court, get around the appellate court, just like we got around the constitution in the first place, and go to our five friends on the supreme court of Pennsylvania, they'll take up our case. So, rather than prepare for the hearing on Friday, the Attorney General runs to the supreme court of Pennsylvania, and what does that court do? Within 48 hours, over the weekend, the weekend before this one, they rule, you know what? Laches, you're here too late, so we're going to throw your case out, throw it out with prejudice, meaning, you can't bring it up again, and don't you dare knock on our door again. Done. Laches, what does laches mean? Basically, in plain English it means, you're too late, you had a time to come before, but you came too late, why did you come after the election, because you lost? You should have come before the election. The problem is, the word, standing. And Pennsylvania has a very strict standing requirement, which is sometimes honored and sometimes not. If the Congressman and candidate brought this suit before the election, what do you think the five Democrats on that court would have said, Mr. Producer? You have no standing, you haven't been hurt yet, there hasn't been an election. So, in other words, you have no due process whatsoever when it comes to the State of Pennsylvania and the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. To appeal to the US Supreme Court, you need what's called a federal question. And there's not only a federal question here, there's a super-duper federal question if there ever was a federal question. Why does all this matter, well of course you're electing delegates and state senators, you're electing congressmen and so forth--the Electoral College is a federal creation. The entire Electoral College process depends on the integrity of the states. And so if you have a state that sends its electors to the electoral college, that is, the governor signs a certificate of ascertainment, it goes to the archivist of the United States, he collects all the electoral college votes, sends it to the joint session of the new congress that meets on January 6th by statute. They have all these electors, and wait, there's Pennsylvania, well, Pennsylvania's electors are tainted, because they're presented to the United State Congress which will then select the President and Vice President of the United States after they count them, they are presented to the United States Congress, but it could be argued that they're illegitimate, because the state legislature didn't follow the state's own constitution. Now you might say, but under Article II, the state legislature can do whatever it wants! No, it can't do whatever it wants, what if the state legislature passed a law that said, only Democrat electors can ever go to the Electoral College, that would be ridiculous. The framers and certainly the ratifiers in the state conventions assumed that the states would follow their constitutions. When you have plenary power, general power, that's not lawless power to do whatever you want, it's to do what's legal within the confines of the law and the state constitution. So, there's a huge federal question here. And then finally, some people are saying, well, what do you expect the United States Supreme Court to do? To rule that these 2.6 million people or so who voted with mail-in ballots, that their votes don't count? First of all, we're a nation of laws, what was fraud 14 months ago, shouldn't be legitimate today, especially when the state violates its own constitution, and those public officials in Pennsylvania violate their oath to that constitution. But putting that aside, no it's not the job of the United States Supreme Court, the job of the United States Supreme Court is to address the federal issue. And what the court should do, if Mark were a justice, is the following. It should take the case up because there's clearly a federal issue, it's gonna wind up in the Congress. It should rule that what the state of Pennsylvania did violates the federal constitution on a number of grounds, and is in fact unconstitutional. So, what's the remedy? The Supreme Court doesn't have to fashion a remedy, it could leave it to the political bodies as Article II leaves it to the state legislature or in the end, can leave it to Congress. But Congress needs to know that those electors it received, it received in violation of not only the Pennsylvania state constitution but that those electors are tainted under the federal constitution because of what the state did under the state constitution. In criminal law, we have the fruit of the poisonous tree, I'm not making a direct parallel, every step that's taken past the initial step where the law has been violated in criminal law, it doesn't matter, all the rest of it, even until the end, is poison. Well, that's really the same thing here. And so I ask you, when the Department of Justice says, "We see no evidence of systemic fraud," isn't that kind of irrelevant? What we see here is fraud perpetrated against the people of Pennsylvania, against the American people, and the Electoral College process by politicians who violated the constitution repeatedly, who violated the rule of law by a rogue state supreme court, and unless the US Supreme Court, as it did in Bush v. Gore, exercises legitimately its power of judicial review, we have a potential constitutional crisis in this matter, and one way or another, Congress will have to resolve it on January 6th. But the US Supreme Court shouldn't just sit there and take a pass. When in fact, it is time for the US Supreme Court to intercede, which is exactly what the petitioners are asking it to do.

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