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Funny, remember how all the liberals complained about the heinous injustice of Trump using executive orders excessively.... well surprise surprise Biden issued many times over what Trump issued in executive orders already. In fact in just one day in office Biden had already twice the number of executive orders as Trump had after 2 weeks... funny dont hear a single liberal complaining, not one... its almost as if they were just complaining because it was a republican doing it and they have complete double standards... nah that couldnt be it right?
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@freemo they both have double standards though
@louiscouture Both? Both who? We are only talking about liberals.. who is the other group your talking about and why is it relevant?
@freemo oh because republicans literally impeached over a blowjob but seems to be totally fine with encouraging a coup,
@louiscouture Not true.. they impeached because a president lied, under oath, and in court... thats pretty serious. The fact that he used his position to take advantage of a woman isnt the best but it is not what he was impeached over.
Trump on the other hand never planned or asked anyone to do a coup. The moment any violence broke out he immediately was on TV asking everyone to go home and asking for there to be no violence.. he did not start, encourage, or perpetuate a coup.
Now what Trump was legitimately guilty of was being a fucking nut job conspiracy theorist and spreading that bullshit and others believed him... Which is totally legitimate to dislike Trump for that, but it is hardly illegal.
@louiscouture I've read this before.. does not disprove a single thing i just said.
@freemo it’s pretty obvious so I don’t know why you say this
@louiscouture Not sure how any of that even remote supports your point.. those words and those instructions have been given countless time sto countless crowds in similar political protests.. marching on the capitol and "fighting for our rights" is a very common motif and never once represented someone intentionally inciting a coup.
@freemo no other president ever said “fight, don’t concede” The context clearly shows that he’s trying to incite them
@freemo not in this context.
Clinton conceded
Romney conceded
McCain conceded
Gore conceded
Trump never conceded
What are the people to do when the system designed to give relief fails utterly and completely?
Agreed, Trump's lack of evidence means he wont get a court case heard in many circumstances, thats normal and the appropriate response.
Also many courts **did** take his case and he still lost.. so its moot either way.
Observers were removed in Nevada, Philadelphia, and kept away at a distance so far they couldn't challenge any ballots.
Did Trump win or loose? Who the fuck knows. It's impossible to know when you dump hundreds of thousands of unsolicited mail-in ballots into the system.
Does Trump talk like an idiot? Sure, he's annoying to listen to. Should he have fought? Absolutely. The election irregularities were massive.
Election fraud is always difficult to prove. That's why they did it.
It doesn't matter what you believe about it; this is the most contentious election in recent American history. We've had worse of course. We've had a president elected without the popular or electoral vote. But it's the most significant one from our lifetimes.
That causes instability and a loss of confidence. If Biden was so sure of his 80m vote victory, why is there a military occupation in DC and why is he questioning the loyalty of military officers? That is not a sign of confidence. That's fear.
We can go through each of those points one by one.. each are pretty trivially debunked with a little research.
For example in philadelphia, observers were allowed in all the places the law allows them to be (and have been allowed in previous elections). The argument made is that they were denied access to certain areas where poll watchers are and always have been explicitly denied access to.. so whats the legal argument there your trying to make at all? Where is the unfairness.. it was handled exactly as it was supposed to be.
Poll worker denied access in Nevada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2V5hPPp6w
In Detroit, they cheered when they removed GOP Observers: https://twitter.com/aricnesbitt/status/1324105401814626304
I covered a lot of this back in November: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/the-return-of-american-corruption/
How exactly do you "debunk" the counting continuing after the "pipe burst" in Fulton Co?
Whats to debunk, we know what happened quite well, the pipe burst, **part** of the building was evacuated. The part where they were counting the ballots wasnt effected and the ballot counting continued after the pipe break, which occured in a different area of the building.
Whats even to debunk, there is literally no evidence anything other than what i just recited occured.
What, the pipe didnt burst in the room they were counting in, it burst in a totally different section of the building and had no effect on the count... what is there to even question?
What "evidence" are you even suggesting here.. We literally have every second of footage (17 hours of it) of them counting the ballots. No sign of any wrong doing of any kind. Not even sure what a pipe bursting somewhere in the building has to do with your claim of wrong doing.
Dude what the hell are you smoking, you can literally see the water on the floor from the leak in the video tape for one, and for two, the observers were never asked to leave, counting continued as normal, it was just a small leak... what in the world are you even talking about you dont have any of the facts right and literally all of it is on video so there isnt much to dispute.
It was reported on live when it was happening (the leak), and at no point were observers asked to leave by the way, nor did the leak cause any sort of evacuation. The report at the time did mention the leak and it was misreported that it might delay counting or lead to a evacuation, but that never actually happened and the 17 hours of security footage shows as much.
By the way keep in mind even when i do get home and find the video where you see the water on the ground it has **no** effect on anything we are discussing... no one was sent home due to the water, no observers were sent home due to the water main break and at no point did it have any effect of any kind on the counting of ballots. So while im happy to find you that footage it really doesnt mean anything either way, the water main break never played any role in this (though it was misreported as causing a delay, which it did not).
Didnt find the video (only spent about 2 minutes looking thought before work).. but here you can hear them talk about the leak in some detail and reference the video i mentioned in detail:
Bullshit, many cases were heard, the courts gave very clear answers. In some situations courts of course didnt hear cases, largely because **there was no evidence**... The courts responded exactly how they should have, Trump was wrong, dead wrong, and he had no evidence. There is nothing wrong with how the courts responded.
I am not and never would argue Trumps stance was right, it wasn't, he lost and he was a pathetic sore loser who couldn't handle that. But it is still laughable to claim he intentionally started a coup.
Yes they did, and yes Trump didnt.. at best that allows you to say Trump is a sore loser, and I would agree with you on that. You can also say he is a conspiracy theorist, I would also agree with you on that. But none of that makes your earlier statement true. Thinking you lost an election unfairly (and being wrong about it) and wanting to fight to right that perceived wrong, through the courts, through protests, through government action, is all fine, it doesnt make you the master mind behind a coup, it just makes him an idiot.
@freemo there is nothing wrong with thinking the election was unfair, but inciting violence is clearly not.
Watch the video
We’re gonna walk to the capitol, and I’m coming with you
@louiscouture he did not "incite violence".. again walking to the capitol is a pretty standard protest tactic.. the million man march marched on the capitol too. The idea of marching on the capitol in protest is a **very** common motif so your arguments are really really weak, these exact words have been said a hundred times over from a hundred different politicians in similar settings.
@louiscouture actually several have, in fact i had this conversation just a week or two ago and found quotes of both kamala and biden using very similar wording in the past.