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I saw a friend of mine's bottle of adderall which is for her kid who has ADHD, but the bottle was labeled "keep out of reach of children"...
Now I cant help picture her danging an adderall pill just out of reach of her ritalin addicted child saying "Sorry you have to jump for it, I have to keep it out of your reach, bottle says so", and then pulling it back like a cat going after a toy every time the child desperately reaches for the adderall.
There is a reason I am not a father :)
@freemo
Drugging kids seem to be more of a symptom of today's high paced society, which in turn, becomes a cause to use more drugs it seems.
@freemo When you can snatch the adderall from my hand it is time for you to leave, #grasshopper
@freemo Luckily, Adderall is banned here (The Netherlands)...
But yea... if my kid had ADHD, I'd rather have him not take meds for it unless absolutely necessary...
It's so common here to get prescribed medications against ADHD and other "disorders" within the ASS (god, I still love the name) while it's not absolutely necessary...
They wanted me to take anti-psychotics, which kinda fucked me for a week (I became a literal sloth) then we quit and I still don't need em anyways.
I took ritalin as a child for years and I'm not sure that it didn't just fuck me up worse
@tn5421 I've seen a lot of people that got most of their lives fucked over severely by them.
I've literally pulled a bunch of people from the brink of suicide because the "meds" made them so depressed for a variety of reasons...
I also hate how society is just so unsuited for a lot of people with ASS.
Imo, it's not that *we* are the problem, it's society itself that is the problem...
@tn5421 @finlaydag33k
@TheCzar
I dont think its that easy. I have seen people who were quite a bit more successful on adderall than off and it is clear that it overall improved their quality of life. Likewise I have seen people take it and not really show much improvement overall.
The most responsible thing a parent can do is if they see a child has a disorder and that disorder is effecting their life, and natural solutions havent worked, you try the medication, evaluate, rinse repeat.. an absolutist stance without actually exploring potential solutions doesnt help either.
They did solve the problem but years later it was found that these woman have problems getting pregnant. Some 500 in the Netherlands.
@hanswolters yes, its obviously important to weight the benefits and risk..
If your child is struggling to reach their full potential then a drug , assuming it is significantly helpful in improving that potential, is worth a greater risk than if the drug has less important positive effects (I'm not sure height is all that important a goal personally, within reason)...
But yea if a kid is given adderall and there is a 5% improvement in their performance you might deem the risk not worth it.. if there is a 300% improvement perhaps it is.
In the case I wrote about it was to stop them growing 5 cm more. Problem was that the internet was not as full of info as it is now when they got it. People, in general, trust their doc and he did not mention it although it was known in other countries
@hanswolters Well that is the big problem I suppose.. the fact that docs cant be trusted and/or the fact that people rely on doctors and dont research on their own (either perspective is fine by me)... point is, the patients were not properly informed, obviously there is an expectation a parent will be informed if they are to make the best decisions.
Problem is that not everyone is able to go find studies that state different findings then your doc is claiming.
@freemo
ADHD has been my life. It is exhausting, day by day, to have so much sensory input.
As a kid, my parents had a hard time with me, so they went to a doctor who prescribed Ritalin. After a year, I became horribly depressed, so the Dr switched me to Adderal and added Zoloft into the mix. My parents are not doctors, but even they seen that an 8 year old boy shouldn't be on an upper and downer at the same time.