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« Good ideas don’t require force » yeah no it’s bullshit.

People are dumb, only a few are acting rationally, we just can’t expect to blindly follow what is best for society. Some of them just don’t understand what even is the best to do. It sucks to recognize this, but forcing people to do something can be necessary in some circumstances.

We needed to force companies to stop literally putting trash in mattress.

We needed to force train companies to adopt security standards or trains will cause damage.

We needed to force companies to own up to the chemical waste they made and stop polluting our waterways

We needed to force people to wear seatbelts, and believe me some people opposed it.

We need to force people to wear masks in public spaces

We probably need to force people to get vaccinated, unless a medical condition prevents them.

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@louiscouture I kind of agree when we talk about Americans.. thing is in europe I'd say thats largely not true. They arent super smart or anything, but they are reasonable enough that it really shouldnt require force.

Even americans not too long ago were ok, but now they have gotten so damn stupid they are self destructive. Problem is if you do force them to do whats "right" the person determining what is right tends to be just as idiotic as they are.

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@freemo Eh, you obviously haven't been in Europe lately. ;)

Europeans can be rather moronic as well. The difference is that we have less guns, so it tends to not be that destructive in general. But we still have plenty of village idiots we'd like to export! Do you have some free space over there? ;)

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@trinsec

Guns play almost no role in the problems of the USA in the sense we are talking about (propensity to extremism and stupidity).

While i agree europeans have certainly dumbed down a few notches it doesnt even compare to where americans are at right now.

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