@js290 The specifics of the benefits and downsides of masks are not something I am pushing in either direction with this meme.

@pthenq1 Unlikely, we didnt even do that with the poliovaccine and that disease was many orders of magnitude worse.

@freemo

Let's continue the conversation in October

@pthenq1 Sure, though they will need to change some pretty huge laws to make that even legal... Thankfully so far no one has made any attempt at walking back HIPAA regulations that protect your medical records.

@freemo no really. Private companies can and will require vaccine probe. Or you can find a job somewhere else.

There's always a Waffle House to look for employment...

@pthenq1 Companies are perfectly welcome to ask for a vaccine probe, what they cant do is demand your private medical records to prove it. Therefore they cant really verify it.

@freemo they can.

Example: https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/

@freemo the only real stopper is that vaccines are not full FDA approved.

That will change eventually

@pthenq1 That is for the vaccine registry, which is voluntary and does not cover all individuals. I can be perfectly vaccinated and not be in that registry and may not be able to even get added to it after the fact.

So no companies cant really lean on that.

@pthenq1 Also it is limited to california and if you are vaccinated out of state or out of country likewise the registry doesnt work... So a multitude of reasons companies cant use that system.

@freemo they can. Uncle Sam pays the vaccines and states coordinate the effort. All is recorded (vaccine wise) and legally you can be asked by companies to present probe or be gone. They do all the time things like that with marijuana tests, financial tests, etc.

@pthenq1

Again, yes you can be asked if you are vaccinated. But it is very very trivial to lie as there is no consistent and objective way for a person to prove they are vaccinated due to HIPAA making it impossible for the companies to access doctor records directly.

All you have to say is you were vaccinated in a state where there is no vaccine registry (which is most states) and they can probe all they want but they have no legal way to verify your vaccinated.

@pthenq1 Also lets not even forget the religious exemption clause. Even if there was a good way for employers to reliably and consistently verify vaccinations, all a person has to do is state their religious beleifs prevent them from being vaccinated and it would be illegal for the company to do the probe at all. The company would have to prove the person is lying (which is hard to do).

So again while companies might make that requirement it is near to impossible to enforce.

@freemo in theory.

It would be sad people lying and all that.

We'll see. Let's continue in October.

@pthenq1 It would be the moral duty to lie in such a situation IMO as a way of protesting the violation of their medical privacy.

@freemo

Well... No moral on lying. The moral is to find a job that agrees with you ideas.

@pthenq1 No, I wouldnt say the proper response to companies violating medical protections and anonymity is to cater to them, not at all. Thats like saying black people just shouldnt apply to companies that prefer to hire whites. It is an inappropriate response to a moral violation.

@trinsec lol its about whatever you want it to be. Mostly just showing that pro-choice logic applied to vaccines doesnt work. Where and why there is a fault is a matter of opinion. But yea I'd say its more about abortion than the virus.