I doubt a single one of the COVID conspiracy theory nutters out there could even answer this quiz, and this is just the basic level.

@freemo I don't care about the vaccine safety any more. I'm upset about being compelled to take it.

@swiley I agree 100% with you, thats an issue. But then again thats just as much the conspirasy theorists fault as it is the governments. If so many people werent out there spreading lies convincing people to put their lives at risk there wouldnt have been the need.

@swiley While I dont agree that it should be forced on anyone, there is a need, and the conspiracy theorists created it.

There are countless people who beleived their lies and arent smart enough to know better who are going to die. It has kept the vaccinations from reaching herd immunity and as such the potential for ever more variants to arise.

So the need is preventing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people that anti-vaxers have caused.. yes there is a "need", I just dont feel that justified forced vaccination no matter how big that need may be

@freemo Israel has nearly 100% vaccination and has no herd immunity.
The virus is not as deadly as people say it is and there are alternative treatments that work better as Japan, Mexico, and India have found.
Pushing the vaccine instead of Ivermectin and antibodies is killing people.

@swiley Wrong, Israel has <80% vaccinated as of the latest figures and herd immunity kicks in above 80% with this virus.. So no they dont have herd immunity yet.

Also remember what I said, herd immunity only works when the entire population reaches it quickly (before variants have a chance to form which accelerates as you vaccinate before reaching herd immunity). We achieved herd immunity with smallpox, for example, because the campaign was global and that was a bit of an easier virus in terms of variants.

@swiley I have no idea what Fauci said, nor do I care what he or any one specific doctor says. I care about the scientific consensus which has herd immunity well above 80%

@freemo Either way, the vaccine is not as effective as Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies. It's orders of magnitude more deadly than every vaccine we've had, and for younger boys it's more deadly than covid itself.
It's not a good treatment.

@swiley Its many times more effective than Ivermectin (which may be part of a treatment as well, assuming the vaccine was already tried)... you sound like an uninformed dunce honestly, almost no one has died from the vaccine, you are spewing anti-science, anti-fact bullshit. You do you, but you've lost the respect of myself and so many others (who continually keep reporting you) with this anti-intellectual nonsense that even a few minutes of research could easily disprove if you didnt have your head up your ass.

If I sound mad, I am, because aside from just costing hundreds of thousands of people their lives by spreading this bullshit misinformation, you are also now costing people their freedoms as a consequence because people are so desperate to try to find a way to save those lives.

@freemo
>almost no one has died from the vaccine
This is clearly wrong. There are enough deaths from the heart problems alone that they're investigating it.

@swiley he ignores the part where it's the deadliest vaccine ever fielded according to VAERS and UK Yellow Card.

@freemo
@swiley i also wasn't able to find a difference in relative death rate between the least-death states and most-death states based on vaccination rate; my calculator couldn't reject the null (altough it looked like it was close to tipping over 5%, so its possible under a stricter p it does) @freemo

@icedquinn

You should have measured granger causation, not correlation (which does not demonstrate statistical causation). To do that you would have to look at how the deathrate changed relative to a states pre-vaccination death rate vs its post-vaccination death rate. If you dont do that you are not getting good data.

@swiley

@freemo @swiley in the same thread i posted about how i wasn't satisfied with taking pearson R on % to %, so i split the data set removing everything within one sigma and comparing the upper tail with the lower tail using a T-test on their vaccination rates.

in theory if vaccination correlates to more or less deaths, the best surviving states and worst surviving states should have detectibly different spreads of vaccination rates.

they do not (95% confidence.)

@icedquinn

If you arent comparing a state to itself post vaccine and pre vaccine then you arent doing anything credible. Correlation is not causation, thats statistics 101, there is a reason we have specific tests for causation.The way your doing it is simply going to give you nonsense data.

@swiley

@freemo @swiley population testing is explicitly how drugs are tested for efficacy.
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@icedquinn

What you did does not constitute population testing, so moot point.

@swiley

@icedquinn

If you actually did t-testing correctly, sure. You did not. For starters you didnt take samples of vaccinated and non-vaccinated groups, which would be needed to do a t-test properly.

Again you just applied a t-test with no understanding of how to apply a t-test, so you will only get nonsense numbers with your particular approach. You must compare equivelant samples seperated out by vaccinated vs non-vaccinated (which indirectly is exactly what the granger causality test does by sampling pre-vaccination earlier in time vs post-vaccination later in time)

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