I doubt a single one of the COVID conspiracy theory nutters out there could even answer this quiz, and this is just the basic level.

@freemo I don't care about the vaccine safety any more. I'm upset about being compelled to take it.

@swiley I agree 100% with you, thats an issue. But then again thats just as much the conspirasy theorists fault as it is the governments. If so many people werent out there spreading lies convincing people to put their lives at risk there wouldnt have been the need.

@swiley While I dont agree that it should be forced on anyone, there is a need, and the conspiracy theorists created it.

There are countless people who beleived their lies and arent smart enough to know better who are going to die. It has kept the vaccinations from reaching herd immunity and as such the potential for ever more variants to arise.

So the need is preventing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people that anti-vaxers have caused.. yes there is a "need", I just dont feel that justified forced vaccination no matter how big that need may be

@freemo Israel has nearly 100% vaccination and has no herd immunity.
The virus is not as deadly as people say it is and there are alternative treatments that work better as Japan, Mexico, and India have found.
Pushing the vaccine instead of Ivermectin and antibodies is killing people.

@swiley Wrong, Israel has <80% vaccinated as of the latest figures and herd immunity kicks in above 80% with this virus.. So no they dont have herd immunity yet.

Also remember what I said, herd immunity only works when the entire population reaches it quickly (before variants have a chance to form which accelerates as you vaccinate before reaching herd immunity). We achieved herd immunity with smallpox, for example, because the campaign was global and that was a bit of an easier virus in terms of variants.

@swiley I have no idea what Fauci said, nor do I care what he or any one specific doctor says. I care about the scientific consensus which has herd immunity well above 80%

@freemo Either way, the vaccine is not as effective as Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies. It's orders of magnitude more deadly than every vaccine we've had, and for younger boys it's more deadly than covid itself.
It's not a good treatment.

@swiley Its many times more effective than Ivermectin (which may be part of a treatment as well, assuming the vaccine was already tried)... you sound like an uninformed dunce honestly, almost no one has died from the vaccine, you are spewing anti-science, anti-fact bullshit. You do you, but you've lost the respect of myself and so many others (who continually keep reporting you) with this anti-intellectual nonsense that even a few minutes of research could easily disprove if you didnt have your head up your ass.

If I sound mad, I am, because aside from just costing hundreds of thousands of people their lives by spreading this bullshit misinformation, you are also now costing people their freedoms as a consequence because people are so desperate to try to find a way to save those lives.

@freemo
>almost no one has died from the vaccine
This is clearly wrong. There are enough deaths from the heart problems alone that they're investigating it.

@swiley thus the word almost.. only 2 people died from blood clots, they investigated it. Of those who got myocarditis so far 0 have died, only 2 wound up in the ICU..

Enough got symptoms of myocarditis to investigate it, true, but 100% of people survived. If anything it demonstrates the safety of vaccines and how even symptoms with no deaths is enough to trigger a full investigation.

@freemo There have been thousands of deaths reported to VARES, a service run by the CDC. Where is your data coming from?

@swiley See this is why you are too uneducated on the subject to open your mouth and why you would fail the above test.

VARES requires doctors, by law, to report any death even those not related to covid, that occur within 14 days after a vaccine, any death at all. The death reports in VAREs does **not** represent death due to the vaccine. These deaths are followed up and investigated to see if any of them wind up being caused by the vaccines and out of those investigations there are very very few deaths.

Please stop saying shit you **think** is true but lack even basic training or education to understand the nonsense coming out of your mouth. If you dont understand a topic dont try to "educate" people with misinformation, educate yourself first.

@freemo @swiley
Isn't that just a very similar criterium to that used to class a death as a covid death?

@special-boy

No there is no universal way a dath is classed as covid. There are hundreds of seperately maintained covid death lists all of which define different criteria for getting on the list. If you are using one of those lists you should be mindful of that criteria.

@swiley

@freemo @special-boy @swiley

>No there is no universal way a dath is classed as covid.
There is one universal way a death is classed as covid: The doctor in the ICU says it is.
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@Eris

Wrong yet again. Different studies used different methods. Some rely on what the doctor says, others, more reliable ones, use double-blind studies and random samples with blood tests, yet others that are even more relaxed simply classify anyone who dies while infected. Every list defines its own criteria.

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@freemo @special-boy @swiley Does anyone actually listen to these "studies?" Do they matter in practice more than the doctor's declaration?
Hint: No.

@Eris

Absolutely yes, in fact most studies will only use double-blind data for exactly this reason and will not incorperate the doctor's opinion at all. In fact the doctors opinion when present is purged from the data set the researchers can even see to ensure its double-blind.

@special-boy @swiley

@freemo @special-boy @swiley I don't think you understood what I asked.
Does the CNN chyron give a shit about these studies? Does anyone? Does it get *used* for anything, or do the CNN numbers get used?

@Eris

CNN, like Fox and most news organizations are in no way factual sources. Most people are idiots, most people dont know the subject, so no... thats the problem, the very problem the OP is pointing out. That uninformed morons who dont look at the actual studies need to shut the fuck up because they dont know what they are talking about.

I frame it at anti-vaxers because they are literally 100% of the people I hear and see doing this in my feed. I have no doubt CNN does it from the other end but I dont watch them or have any exposure to that nonsense.

@special-boy @swiley

@freemo @special-boy @swiley

>That uninformed morons who dont look at the actual studies need to shut the fuck up because they dont know what they are talking about.
Okay but that's not going to happen. People are people, they act like people, not like the hyper-rational robots you want them to be.
@freemo @special-boy @swiley Again you are falling prey to communist logic, making social solutions that rely on your loathing of the fundamental nature of human beings and a vain notion that you can change them, rather than working within a human context.

@Eris

I said be specific. What exactly do I want to change about how they view data that makes me socialist? I have mostly proposed they follow multiple independent studies of high quality rather than relying on some master list from the CDC/CNN.. that would seem to be the opposite of communist thinking.

@special-boy @swiley

@freemo @special-boy @swiley
>What exactly do I want to change about how they view data that makes me socialist?
Wanting to change it at all makes you socialist.
> I have mostly proposed they follow multiple independent studies of high quality rather than relying on some master list from the CDC/CNN.. that would seem to be the opposite of communist thinking.
Any enforcement of a way of thinking other than people's nature is intrinsically communist.
@123abceng @freemo @Eris @special-boy @swiley anyone supports masks vaccines or has a .Gov email address isnt people and only has worth as fertilizer
@swiley @123abceng @Eris @special-boy @freemo OK so women do this they have extreme stockholm syndrome and they give their kids up. It's happened for years and years when things like this happened under army occupations and stuff. Alex Jones was talking about it the other day. This happens when women are single because we made them into adults who are never held responsible.

Look how this stupid cunt cries after she killed all her kids, notice the lack of man, notice how it's not her fault she fucked up her kids

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6262045756001#sp=show-clips

@D00B I really would like it if you didn't call her a cunt.

@swiley Should I got back in time and stop her from destroying her lineage and then she wouldn't be a stupid cunt?
@swiley @D00B She put her kid in a wheelchair for social credit dude, she's a cunt.
@swiley
Don't play dumb, Swilley, and now you are making me mad. Your media "FRIENDS" was telling people "Trust in Science," "Safe and Effective," and you are now asking, "who would sign their kids?

@D00B @Eris @special-boy @freemo
I frame the news organizations and the people who are addicted to these organizations. :)
@freemo @special-boy @swiley You can have some ivory tower intellectual who is super rigorous have super data but if no one actually uses that data or reads his studied does it actually matter?
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