Me: Citizens with guns help to act as a check against government tyranny.

Them: the government has more and bigger guns than you and can kill you easily. Therefore you should let the government have your guns and take them away from citizens.

Me: Do you even hear yourself.

@freemo From an EU perspective it's: we don't have guns, it would be dangerous if people would have access to guns.

Then they get shot by criminals, unable to defend themselves.

@xyfdi @freemo except in the EU the criminals in question are rare and mostly literal mafia members, while in the US a random hobo can rob you at gunpoint. It’s not exactly the same caliber of a problem.

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Well not really, sort of. Eu does have less crime overall in many countries, but this isnlargely unrelated to guns. When we look at the numbers every time, historically, an EU country banned guns or made more restrictive laws than crime and homicides would almost always spike very high in the years that follow. The only difference is slowly over time they stab you more rather than shoot you, but dead is dead when you arent allowed to defend yourself.
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