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> last time I checked Dems aren’t the ones with the racist rhetoric… Just saying 🤷♂️
They literally elected a president currently in office who spent most of his career being racist and literally started his career and made it the focus of his career to keep segregation alive... literally the first president in my lifetime who built a career on pro-segregation... Yea pretty sure the dems are still built on racist rhetoric, if they werent a man like that would have never even been a senator, let alone much more.
@freemo @alecui I dunno about this. At that time (I lived through this) there was a lot of opinions about what would be better for black scholastic achievement. To me, I would think busing would be very disruptive, and it probably was. So it was not clear that was the best choice. Also doing deals with nasty people is just part of being a politician as well, you can really fault one for trying to get the best deal possible, even if it is far from ideal. It is more likely that Joe Biden was just wrong on his political stance as judged by history. This is not unusual.
I mean you are talking about a guy who was VP for the first black US president, ever. No racist would have accepted that role.
At the end of the day, current actions speak louder than past mistakes, at least in my opinion. On this score, Republicans are doing poorly. Democrats, fairly well, if not as well as we might like. End of story.
Anyone who looks into the speeches Biden has said on the topic makes it VERY clear his interest was not looking out for the black people. So regardless his past, his statements, make it quite clear his opinion came from a place of racism and not wanting his white child to be in school with black kids..
His exact words, for example:
"Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle"
He clearly was worried about his white child being in a mixed race school... his concerns werent for the black kids.
@freemo @alecui Yes that sounds bad, but even if he meant it as it sounds, I have to believe that people are capable of growth. I can think back at my own biases as a young adult and how I've changed, and have to believe that others are capable of the same thing. As I said, if he was truly racist, he would not have stood as VP with Obama, nor would Obama have selected him.
And since you are not that old (not remembering Reagen at all), you might not realize this: Some people do not grow at all, and are hopeless. Other people live, look and learn, work on their biases, and grow as human beings. The process takes years and decades, but people do get better. Do you honestly think Biden is the same person he was in the 70's? I really doubt it.
Yes, people are capable of growth, and Id be happy to give him that oppertunity... Guess what, I never heard him apologize for his past racism, if he had "grown" and was truely sorry he would have begged us all as an apology, he would of decried his past actions.... but he didnt.. he just silently hoped no one would remember and never once even said im sorry, let alone a sincere one.
Add that to the fact that the way he acts is so obviously over the top insincere, manipulating the community of minorities with insincere acts to try to convince them he changed, when really they are superficial things and every single one of them is in his personal best interests... yea sorry but no matter how you slice it I dont see a person who changed.
@freemo @alecui I'm not sure why he hasn't apologized for his past racism, oh now I remember, that's your take, I'm not convinced. I think he was just mistaken at the time. I don't really expect politicians to dredge up their past mistakes, this isn't what they do. I would rather have that than politicians that do one thing and say another, almost at the same time some of them, it's pretty much performance art. There's plenty of that on the other side of the aisle right now.
I don't watch him closely enough to sense any sincerity or lack thereof. Do you have some incident in mind?
Yea sorry but when you spend years fighting tooth and nail to preserve segregation, and have a ton of other racist/prejudice dirt in your history (like being horrible towards LGBTQ);.. yea i expect them to apologize if they want me to even consider the possiblity they are ... well.. sorry
Just the fact that he has picked a staff that have horrible histories themselves regardingchallenged groups and appears the only crtieria for most of them was as a parade to show how many minorities he can hire... that alone shows a lack of sincerity. Even his VP has a vile history of voting that is worthy of contempt, not to mention her questionable history as a cop. Its clear his choices werent for the decisions they might make to better the cause, but simply based on their genitals or color of their skin because he knew it would get him some brownie points... at least to me that is painfully obvious.
Me knowing biden personally may give me a tainted view however where I just know him better than your average voter, I dunno.
@freemo @alecui I confess I don't know much about his cabinet other than Harris and Buttigieg, and the fact that the demographics are at least an attempt at diversity. If you say they are pretty awful I can't really argue about it. However, the fact that you are claiming near uniform awfulness or at least being mere tokens is suspicious to say the least. I would need receipts of some sort to believe this.
buttigieg is actually one of the choices he made for his cabinet I really support. Frankly I'd rather he be president than Biden.
Uniform was a bit hyperbolic.. but a huge portion of his choices were pretty awful and clearly done more on race or sex than merrit.
