> we won't do black friday sales because we don't care to subject our employees to that and we care more about our existing customers anyway (supernote)

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@icedquinn Sounds like their "existing" customers wont exist for much longer because they are about to buy all the junk they need for the next year at half price somewhere else :)

@freemo time will tell i suppose. i went with rM over Kindle, but i probably would have gone with supernote over rM but i didn't know they existed until too late.

factorio and rimworld in the software world have shown its probably better to support a product and never go on sale, and they certainly aimed for that with their build choices (self healing screen guards pre-installed, durable nibs instead of designed to fail to put you on a vig of buying replacements)

@icedquinn I just use full fledges android devices with e-ink displays.. has almost as good battery life, and givesme all the advantages of android apps.

@freemo i have a digitizing android tablet (well, two) that are rarely used. the UI is just bullshit on android and ios.

t. newton owner

@icedquinn If you want a digitizer on Android you need to go with BOOX... they specially designed their digitizer not to have the same issues.

@freemo rM is mostly closed source but there's a "gpl compliance" tab that gives you the root ssh password if you want to turn it on, very easy no shenanigans required to enable it. gold standard behavior.

boox basically said we're chinese we don't care about copyleft violations.

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the digitizer works fine on the samsungs. the problem is that android and ios have stupid UX that is designed around fat fingering on a consumption device. its not designed for a pen.

the newton was unique in that they designed the whole system to be digital paper. there's no real "focus" mechanics like a mouse and keeb interface where you select a field to type in. the forms *look* like paper forms, you just *write* on a text field and it does recognition.

sadly none of the epaper tablets meet the newton's design, although the specialized ones are closer i guess.

@icedquinn wait remarkable is a rootable linux device? .... oh you do know how to sweet talk me.. tell me more, I might buy!

@freemo they are but they are digital paper simulators. you really have to want that kind of thing or you won't enjoy them.

plenty of returns are because people exactly wanted an iPad instead

@icedquinn I use my BOOX largely for two things... 1) an all-purpose e-reader 2) the ability to notate 3) the ability to take notes.

So as long as remarkable can cover virtually all e-reader formats I might be ok with that.

Oh and number 4: To have the same battery life as a paper book :)

@icedquinn @freemo i tried writing/drawing on an ipad and its weird cause the screen is so slick

i'd be interested in hearing you impression of the remarkable

@gray

They have covers for the iPAD that make it feel like paper if thats your thing.

@icedquinn

@gray @freemo supposedly gets here fridey :ablobcatbongo:

i actually like the slick glass haptics on tablets though. my mother's samsung has a "paper-like" from photodon because she likes that, while mine has the 9H. so the stylus gliding over everything like a rollerball all the time is fine.

what bothers me more is i pick up tablet, wait i gotta push the on button, oh its a lock screen i have to slide through that, ok now there's a home screen i have to navigate to the drawing program, load that, ok now i make a new document... :facepalm_cirno:

the newton is/was slide button to turn the screen on and its always at the notepad because non-notepad behavior is actually secondary
@icedquinn @freemo I'm kind of interested if only the tablets were cheaper into impulse buy territory.

@icedquinn @freemo I know that might appeal to other people but to me it sounds like the worst thing ever. One of the reasons I like computers so much is that I don't have to hand-write anything, I only write my signature a couple times a year and otherwise treat pen and paper as evil artifacts of times bygone.

@Amikke @freemo it depends. i don't like to hand write, am quite poor at it and it hurts and is slow. but i can doodle/cartoon in to a notebook.

Word has caused a lot of damage to human communication
@Amikke @freemo some examples of this is when i pulled up old references on the michela steno system. thats a phonetic system for piano keyboards used in the italian senate. but comes from a "universal alphabet" project much older by the same person, and because there was only hand and paper back then he used these little symbols for the sounds. same with various journalistic shorthands.

with the advent of ASCII computing you no longer see anything like this. everything is romanized because that's what the keyboard does. maybe in the 8-bit days it was common to tamper with the font memory a bit so you could get a couple custom glyphs that way. but that's gone too--you get what you're given and you are given what can get pushed past Unicode consortium and drawn in to the font.

god forbid with things like Word typography itself is also dead.

idk. you can't type a blobcat. but you can scribble one.

i'm shut up now :blobcatbongogoogly:
@freemo i guess more specifically you can either have sales or you can have high end support. you can't really do both. the sales amputate your long tail that you need to survive the lack of constant replacement revenues

@icedquinn You can have both... its just, you often dont.

Personally i dont know why anyone buys shit in person anymore anyway. Just do the sales and doit online.

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