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@thor you certainly arent wrong that spending on things that make you mentally healthy and happy are neccesary too.. Im not claiming you shouldnt be spending on anything... My only point is, cutting back on those small every day expenses absolutely is a mentality and practice needed to get out of poverty.
small every day expenses
There's the issue that often buying in bulk (or larger sizes in general) can be cheaper in the longer term.
It's one of the traps of poverty, with the stupid example being that one could buy a 500g box of cookies that last him a week for 10€, or a 1Kg box for 17€ that lasts him twice that.
Optimizing for the short term is suboptimal
While your right, the whole buying in bulk could be a potential trap of poverty.. its not really a good excuse... I dont know too many who got out of poverty by buying in bulk.. i mean yea sure once your able it might be an ok move to save a few pennies... but its not nearly as important as just penny pinching.
@freemo @moffintosh to a degree where it would be too much for most people to endure, perhaps
but it's too much.
@freemo @moffintosh willpower is not distributed equally
By itself it will only get you so far...
But thats the problem.. usually the people who dont take advice from people who got out of poverty because "they dont believe it" are the people who stay in poverty. But iu wont judge you for choosing what you feel is right for you.
@freemo @moffintosh these people who offer self-help advice never offer evidence except for their own story, which is what worked for them.
@freemo @moffintosh i will take an opportunity if offered, but i'm seeing advice, which is mostly useless. i have heard most of it before, and i have attempted to apply it. it did not work for me.
@freemo @moffintosh your kind words are that. offer a business plan, or employment opportunity. something concrete.
I can certainly understand that... I dont know your particular circumstances and im not saying its as simple as following advice either... its very circumstantial.
When ive helped people it was never just some one time adivce and then i come back and their doing grerat.... It was always a pretty large and somewhat personal commitment... well not always, but often.
Most of the people helped were at rock bottom after a lifetime of poverty. I usually offer very strict rules designed around their success and ont he condition that they get free room and board (and free education in some cases) should they stick to the rules. Since the alternative was literally homelessnes it usually was a strong enough deterrant they would take the offer.
All these people needed to trust me to do that though, and while oddly enough some of these people were new friends (in two cases I took them in after only knowing them a month or two).. it doesnt really play out too well with strangers considering the dynamic being asked of.
But a great many of them in the end moved out and to this day have a very successful career, their own home, and in some cases families.
@freemo @thor @moffintosh That's a real investment. It would be nice to see more people do this.
I wish more people did... Sadly with the whole anti-rich people movement we have lately this is farther away as a common practice not closer. When people with money are constantly treated as evil, unfortunately, it makes people far less willing to want to help or care about eachother.
@freemo @thor @moffintosh It's really quite impressive how effective misdirection can be.
@freemo @AmpBenzScientist @thor
with the whole anti-rich people movement we have lately this is farther away as a common practice not closer. When people with money are constantly treated as evil, unfortunately, it makes people far less willing to want to help or care about eachother.
That's just false. The "anti-rich people movement" is as old as civilization, look no futher than pesant revolts against the nobility and worker strikes of the past 200 years.
Rich people specifically rarely partecipated in the whole "taking care of each other" thing when it involved common people anyway. At best there were some charities, and after 2000 years of charity from the catholic church, we can safely say it doesn't work to any meaninful degree.
> That's just false. The "anti-rich people movement" is as old as civilization, look no futher than pesant revolts against the nobility and worker strikes of the past 200 years.
As a concept it certainly isnt new, I agree... but as of late it has been an idea that has far more support than it has in the recent past.... I really could care less about how much it was adopted historically.
> Rich people specifically rarely partecipated in the whole "taking care of each other" thing when it involved common people anyway.
Spoken as someone just making shit up with little expiernce or evidence to back it up.
First off objectively rich people donate a far larger **percentage** of their income to charity works than middle class or the poor... we arent just talking dollars and cents but actual percentage of income. And the difference is huge.
As one of the only objective measures i can really think of this alone shows fairly well you statement to be false.
Moreover, anyone who has been around rich people in a social and personal way (rich family, through work, whatever) would plainly see that these people often care a great deal about charitable work and doing more with their money.. Most rich people I know have 20 or 30 things I personally know of they went out of their way and sacraficed to help communities.
Dont get me wrong there are selfish evil rich people too... probably in the same perportion as non-rich really. But the idea that as a crowd they are inherently more evil than those with less money... thats just jealousy and pettyness blinding you, little more.
@thor but isn't this exactly what you're doing?
You sure did, as if an ideology born out of decades of expiernce and success, both with others and myself, is somehow a bad thing... yes we form ideologies about things we come to understand... those ideologies are a good thing, not bad.
While your right, the whole buying in bulk could be a potential trap of poverty.. its not really a good excuse... I dont know too many who got out of poverty by buying in bulk.. i mean yea sure once your able it might be an ok move to save a few pennies... but its not nearly as important as just penny pinching.
its not really a good excuse...
Ideology detected.
It ain't excuse, it's math.
The thing is that buying in bulk is cheaper in the long run, like escaping poverty is a long run deal. The issue with it is that buying in bulk has an higher upfront cost, and as such poor people are unsuprisingly less likely to purse it.
It's a trap in a sense
Oh I absolutely have an ideology (as do you)... You are speaking of opinion and ideology whereas im speaking from a lifetime of actually helping people get out of poverty and seeing what does and what doesnt work... yes its math, and buying in bulk, while helpful, is not a requirement to get there.
@freemo @moffintosh i have absolutely no faith that penny pinching gets you out of poverty