@georgetakei I tell ya what, once Trump looses and crys for the first time in public Ill make sure to get a picture of him crying blown out to life size and send it to you as a thank you :)

@freemo @georgetakei My concern is about the ones similarly evil that don't lose everything... but send me a copy, not above revenge fantasy here. Fantasy only, of course.

@thatguyoverthere

I guess its a mental disorder to want evil cruel people to have the level of success they truely deserve.

@georgetakei

@freemo @georgetakei "I can't prove he tried to take over the world, but let's take all his stuff"

@thatguyoverthere

Ahh right lets make up phrases that in no way resemble anything said and then put quotes around it so I can argue with it and make it look like im arguing with the person I quoted when in reality im just arguing with ghosts my imagination made up....

Carry on.

@georgetakei

@freemo @georgetakei the only reason he's even in court is j6. It's all political. Pretending it's otherwise is pseudointellectual

@thatguyoverthere

Once you start making up arguments people didnt make and arguing with yourself you dont get to make claims to objectivity.

@georgetakei

@freemo @georgetakei ok dude, you can keep pretending

@freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei I don't know if I have all the facts but it seemed like this is bullshit, they are trying to say he massively overvalued mar a lago but it appears that the judge just massively undervalued it if you compare properties in the same area. there may be some aspect to this I don't understand but right now I think it's probably bullshit.

@Moon
heard here from lawyers talking it is that his own declared valuation differed by like 2000%? based on what the valuation was being used for

@ageha @Moon he's supposed to have overvalued his property when putting it up as a security for a loan that he paid back fully. Valuation of property that's not actually on the market is not an exact science in any way, and it's not the bank who's suing him. Of all the horribad stuff that he and other politicians did and do on a daily basis, 'got a loan and paid it back' is the least there could be.

@Moon
ok, actual ruling, talks assorted properties one after another

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/trump-judges-ruling/ce6de7d636227e1b/full.pdf
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@ageha he;s probably guilty of the trump tower one lol

@freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei "here's why people I don't like should go to prison"

> is j6

The reason he's in court is because The Oligarchy doesn't like him. It's been that way since 2016.

Whether you side with him or with them is kind of a personal decision, and who is really in the right or in the wrong is probably something we mere mortals will never know.

But lets not be silly and pretend like all these different court cases are being brought by completely different and unrelated people for entirely different reasons.

@cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei they're going to kill as many people as they can before 2024 so that there is room to stuff votes for whoever they're going to run against trump

@cjd

I mean sure, the oligarchy doesnt like him and im sure thats making it much worse on him...

But the fact that he is an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn might have a tiny bit to do with it too.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

> an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn

Did you deduce that from first principles, or did you fall asleep with the TV on and wake up knowing it ?

@cjd

I have no access to TV or cable... so first principles is the only answer

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@freemo @cjd @georgetakei Where on the doll did Trump touch you?

I think that to see him as a *particularly* bad guy requires a lot of ignorance to what The Oligarchy does.

They and their little "free trade agreements" turned vast swaths of America into an unlivable hell-scape the likes of which are not seen anywhere else in the world. Then you have 9/11, patriot act, and Bush's forever wars and dumping of heroin on the people, in addition to destroying America's credibility in the world by wanton embrace of torture.

I don't know how you measure "evil" but if it's by the amount of human suffering created, 1000 Trumps couldn't even hold a candle to what the Clinton or Bush families have been capable of.

@cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei Shitlibs think Trump is evil because he's the first President in 50 years that didn't start a new war.

@caekislove @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei "bawww, won't anyone think of the poor oppressed women of IRAN! DREMPF YOU MONSTER"

@SaltWraith @caekislove @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei every time i think of that i go "why not here?"

@cjd

No matter how bad the oliharchy is doesnt change how bad Trump is. Then you go on to talk about Bush and clinton... thats alot of words for "other things suck"... ok.. how does other things sucking have **any relevance to how much Trump sucks?

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@freemo I can answer that... The issue that naturally brings up the comparison is that right now, in America, for most people, politically, it's a choice between them and him.

@cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

It is very important, because he and they are in political power competition. If you believe in ethical good/evil, then one of those sides must be less evil than the other and the ethical thing to do is to back that side.

Now maybe your position is that they're all so deeply compromised that you don't really have an opinion about who is worse - and that's a position I can respect.

But when you SPECIFICALLY single out Trump, I can't help but think that you are in fact pro-Clinton/Bush oligarchy so I'm going to make you explain how you square your ethics with their crimes against humanity.

@cjd

I didnt say your side points were important.. they may be very important tangents... but they dont change a damn thing about how much Donald is a piece of shit... It just means he is a piece of shit who pissed people off and people are out for blood. It also just means everyone else is also a piece of shit... again not changing the fact that so is Donald.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

Flash election: Donald Trump vs. George W. Bush.
Who are you voting for ?

@cjd

Thats like asking me who I vote for, a piece of cabbage in a comma, or a wet orange colored turd... Who cares, at that point id be doing a write in if those were my only choices.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@freemo @cjd @georgetakei He said Bush not Biden

@thatguyoverthere

Yes I know what he said... Calling biden equivalent to a head of cabbage in a coma would be an insult to cabbages everywhere.

@cjd @georgetakei

@freemo @cjd @georgetakei Sounds like a Bush endorsement

@thatguyoverthere

Bush isnt quite as bad as Trump or Biden if thats what your asking... But it would be like asking to vote between Hitler and Stallin... like even if i can reason my way that one is a little less bad than the other, neither is someone I would ever vote for.

@cjd @georgetakei

@freemo @thatguyoverthere @cjd @georgetakei They are both too old and too compromised. Trump needs to hand MAGA over to someone young and strategic. The Democrat party needs its Gorbachev, because right now looks like the late Brezhnev era.

@mike805

Age isnt a huge issue, but Biden's senility is certainly an issue... Trump im not so worried about his age as I am his stupidity.

@thatguyoverthere @cjd @georgetakei

So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.

If you're not willing to make an analysis of which is the lesser of two evils, then in general you will end up with the greater evil.

In the words of Joseph de Maistre, "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." and a lot of what has befallen America over the past 50 years is indeed well deserved.

@cjd

> So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.

No not necessarily. If enough people are upset by the choices and enough people write it in, it does become a valid vote (write ins are counted in many countries).

In any sensible country if you had two choices as evil as the ones we have right now everyone woul writein and we would have change... sadly we wont.

But your asking me "Do you choose guy one who will be evil to people or guy two".. yes every time my answer will be "I wont choose evil people, but I will be happy to fight int he civil war. Which is exactly what I'd say if my choice was Stalin or Hitler... if its Bush or Trump .. sadly i doubt there would be a civil war for that, but there should be.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

This is the kind of mental gymnastics which people do when they write in Mickey Mouse and then walk away smiling and fancying themselves as "at least not part of the problem".

The Government You Deserve.

@cjd

It only counts if you vote in local and primary systems.. then you are making change and have every right to say "I wont support evil"... not mental gymanistics, its called having principles...

Now if you never vote in the primaries or anything that can fix the problem, then and only then I might agree with you.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@cjd @freemo @georgetakei > Mickey

Bigot you should be writing Minnie in the 21st century

@cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei >Be Italy
>Vote for the most anti-gimmigrant party there is
>Get unlimited Gimmigrants anyway
Dur dee dur, guess you'll have to "vote harder" next time Italy!
You are correct though, just that voting isn't what will force the government to change.

@freemo @cjd @georgetakei > I won't choose evil people

what does "evil" mean to you? What is one thing Trump has done that makes him "evil"?

I have no problems with a write in myself. I am planning to either abstain or vote for AfroMan in 2024. I just think using adjectives like evil to describe him is caused by brainworms.

@thatguyoverthere

Trump has done a very many things that are evil... lying, explicitly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin, mocking disabled people... The fact that you dont think he has ever been evil publicly (let alone non publicly) is shocking to say the least.

@cjd @georgetakei

@cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei eyo. Free trade is good.

Unironically, I stand for it.

Patriot act bad, and I stand against it.

@deavmi @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei free trade is good but 'free trade agreements' are a different beast. if i want to trade with you, i don't need a 3000 page document that says 'yeah ok you can do it'.

@lain @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei No totally agreed. I meant more as to say I believe free trade is as much a right as free speech and the right to bare arms.

But yes these documents are not really the freest of Things I guess. It’s like open trade between countries onntheit list, not free trade.

Open is a subset of fee but it is not free.

@deavmi @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei if we had free trade the usa would implode

@deavmi @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei if i can't do trade with kim jon un without getting droned we do not have free trade