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Donald Trump is in court again today, facing a civil trial that could cost him his business empire. Trump, his sons, and his company stand accused of falsely inflating property value prices in order to obtain favorable loans.
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@georgetakei Him loosing everything would make me happy.
I guess its a mental disorder to want evil cruel people to have the level of success they truely deserve.
Ahh right lets make up phrases that in no way resemble anything said and then put quotes around it so I can argue with it and make it look like im arguing with the person I quoted when in reality im just arguing with ghosts my imagination made up....
Carry on.
The reason he's in court is because The Oligarchy doesn't like him. It's been that way since 2016.
Whether you side with him or with them is kind of a personal decision, and who is really in the right or in the wrong is probably something we mere mortals will never know.
But lets not be silly and pretend like all these different court cases are being brought by completely different and unrelated people for entirely different reasons.
I mean sure, the oligarchy doesnt like him and im sure thats making it much worse on him...
But the fact that he is an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn might have a tiny bit to do with it too.
I have no access to TV or cable... so first principles is the only answer
They and their little "free trade agreements" turned vast swaths of America into an unlivable hell-scape the likes of which are not seen anywhere else in the world. Then you have 9/11, patriot act, and Bush's forever wars and dumping of heroin on the people, in addition to destroying America's credibility in the world by wanton embrace of torture.
I don't know how you measure "evil" but if it's by the amount of human suffering created, 1000 Trumps couldn't even hold a candle to what the Clinton or Bush families have been capable of.
No matter how bad the oliharchy is doesnt change how bad Trump is. Then you go on to talk about Bush and clinton... thats alot of words for "other things suck"... ok.. how does other things sucking have **any relevance to how much Trump sucks?
@cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei
Now maybe your position is that they're all so deeply compromised that you don't really have an opinion about who is worse - and that's a position I can respect.
But when you SPECIFICALLY single out Trump, I can't help but think that you are in fact pro-Clinton/Bush oligarchy so I'm going to make you explain how you square your ethics with their crimes against humanity.
I didnt say your side points were important.. they may be very important tangents... but they dont change a damn thing about how much Donald is a piece of shit... It just means he is a piece of shit who pissed people off and people are out for blood. It also just means everyone else is also a piece of shit... again not changing the fact that so is Donald.
Who are you voting for ?
Thats like asking me who I vote for, a piece of cabbage in a comma, or a wet orange colored turd... Who cares, at that point id be doing a write in if those were my only choices.
Yes I know what he said... Calling biden equivalent to a head of cabbage in a coma would be an insult to cabbages everywhere.
Bush isnt quite as bad as Trump or Biden if thats what your asking... But it would be like asking to vote between Hitler and Stallin... like even if i can reason my way that one is a little less bad than the other, neither is someone I would ever vote for.
Whoever they are, there's very little chance that they'll be able to be MORE harmful than a Party Man because as outsiders they don't have the connections/power.
Which one should be supported is simply a practical matter of whose most likely to win.
P.S. Don't get me wrong, I don't LIKE any of them.
While I wouldnt say Trump RFK or any of those nut jobs are a good choice. I can understand the hating of the Clinton/Bush types (Obama was okish but had some huge issues too).. But yea I can understand disliking any of them.
I mean trump literally is a one man Oligarchy, so you did a very very poor job at that.
RFK might be a good pick too.
I'd vote for AfroMan over every single candidate currently availible to me.
@freemo @thatguyoverthere @cjd @georgetakei They are both too old and too compromised. Trump needs to hand MAGA over to someone young and strategic. The Democrat party needs its Gorbachev, because right now looks like the late Brezhnev era.
Age isnt a huge issue, but Biden's senility is certainly an issue... Trump im not so worried about his age as I am his stupidity.
If you're not willing to make an analysis of which is the lesser of two evils, then in general you will end up with the greater evil.
In the words of Joseph de Maistre, "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." and a lot of what has befallen America over the past 50 years is indeed well deserved.
> So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.
No not necessarily. If enough people are upset by the choices and enough people write it in, it does become a valid vote (write ins are counted in many countries).
In any sensible country if you had two choices as evil as the ones we have right now everyone woul writein and we would have change... sadly we wont.
But your asking me "Do you choose guy one who will be evil to people or guy two".. yes every time my answer will be "I wont choose evil people, but I will be happy to fight int he civil war. Which is exactly what I'd say if my choice was Stalin or Hitler... if its Bush or Trump .. sadly i doubt there would be a civil war for that, but there should be.
The Government You Deserve.
It only counts if you vote in local and primary systems.. then you are making change and have every right to say "I wont support evil"... not mental gymanistics, its called having principles...
Now if you never vote in the primaries or anything that can fix the problem, then and only then I might agree with you.
>Vote for the most anti-gimmigrant party there is
>Get unlimited Gimmigrants anyway
Dur dee dur, guess you'll have to "vote harder" next time Italy!
You are correct though, just that voting isn't what will force the government to change.
what does "evil" mean to you? What is one thing Trump has done that makes him "evil"?
I have no problems with a write in myself. I am planning to either abstain or vote for AfroMan in 2024. I just think using adjectives like evil to describe him is caused by brainworms.
Trump has done a very many things that are evil... lying, explicitly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin, mocking disabled people... The fact that you dont think he has ever been evil publicly (let alone non publicly) is shocking to say the least.
If you think making fun of a crippled person in a public setting when acting as president is "childish" to see as a form of evil then we are done talking.. I dont want to interact with anyone who thinks that is a morally good, rather than evil, expression.
* Wars engineered on false pretenses
* Genocide & holocaust
* Engineered famine / holodomor
* Human & child trafficking & slavery
And yet your conception of EVIL is a guy standing on a podium making fun of a crippled journalist.
https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-slogan-why-run-because-her-turn-2017-4
well lets all just be thankful Hillary lost.. She wouldnt have helped any thats for sure.
@jeff @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei
Yes I know what you were saying...
> And yet your conception of EVIL is a guy standing on a podium making fun of a crippled journalist.
So other things existing int he world is evil makes mocking a crippled person not evil?
Sorry but with logic like that you dont get to say what is childish.
Mocking somebody on stage might be rude, it might be in bad taste, it might be offensive, but it's not evil.
When you begin instinctively reaching for the most extreme word you can find to describe everything you don't like, your words cease to mean anything at all.
This is endemic of the period we are living in, modern language is collapsing down into Nazis, and Literally Hitler, and Worst Thing Ever. As art becomes paint splatters, food becomes slop and academia becomes GPT-generated drivel.
> You are devaluing the meaning of the word Evil.
Why do people who always argue for Trump struggle so much with the idea that concepts exist on a scale, not simply are or arent.
Sayng there are greater evils that can exist is a piss poor (and childish) argument to try to make the case that something isnt evil.
I mean sure... he raped a few people, mocked a disabled person for being disabled, specifically denied work to people for being black... but you know, he didnt murder **everyone** he met, and some people do, so calling him evil would be devaluing the word evil....
::hard eye roll::
> mocking disabled people
you talking about the meme where he mocked Hillary or something making a funny face?
> lying
Everybody lies or has lied.
I think a lot of what he's said has been sensationalized (and often taken out of context) in media reports. Everyone clutching their pearls because he said "You can grab them by the pussy" are suffering a mental disorder (possible brain worms). It was important that Clinton didn't inhale and of course Obama did because "that's the point" (isn't he cool). The fact that you fall for the framing is kind of.... shocking
> explicityly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin
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> :doubt:
I mean the evidence was all presented in court including his housing manager and those who applies who were directly and in no uncertain terms told blacks were not allowed... this was in the 60s and 70s, but still clear racism direct from Trump
> you talking about the meme where he mocked Hillary or something making a funny face?
No I am talking about when he stood on stage and made fun of a reporter, whom he named explicitly, who was physically disabled and he mocked their disability by making faces to imitate him.
Attached is the screen shot of him mocking him and a photo of the reporter.
inb4 you think the photo is out of context watch the video it is clear and intentional he was mocking his disability
> Everybody lies or has lied.
Other people doing wrong things has no relevance and changes nothing about if Trump does wrong things... this means nothing. Presidents shouldnt lie most of the time,a nd when they lie for no reason and nearly constantly, then they should be treated as such.
@cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei eyo. Free trade is good.
Unironically, I stand for it.
Patriot act bad, and I stand against it.
@lain @cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei No totally agreed. I meant more as to say I believe free trade is as much a right as free speech and the right to bare arms.
But yes these documents are not really the freest of Things I guess. It’s like open trade between countries onntheit list, not free trade.
Open is a subset of fee but it is not free.
Did you deduce that from first principles, or did you fall asleep with the TV on and wake up knowing it ?