Donald Trump is in court again today, facing a civil trial that could cost him his business empire. Trump, his sons, and his company stand accused of falsely inflating property value prices in order to obtain favorable loans.

@thatguyoverthere

I guess its a mental disorder to want evil cruel people to have the level of success they truely deserve.

@georgetakei

@freemo @georgetakei "I can't prove he tried to take over the world, but let's take all his stuff"

@thatguyoverthere

Ahh right lets make up phrases that in no way resemble anything said and then put quotes around it so I can argue with it and make it look like im arguing with the person I quoted when in reality im just arguing with ghosts my imagination made up....

Carry on.

@georgetakei

@freemo @georgetakei the only reason he's even in court is j6. It's all political. Pretending it's otherwise is pseudointellectual
> is j6

The reason he's in court is because The Oligarchy doesn't like him. It's been that way since 2016.

Whether you side with him or with them is kind of a personal decision, and who is really in the right or in the wrong is probably something we mere mortals will never know.

But lets not be silly and pretend like all these different court cases are being brought by completely different and unrelated people for entirely different reasons.

@cjd

I mean sure, the oligarchy doesnt like him and im sure thats making it much worse on him...

But the fact that he is an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn might have a tiny bit to do with it too.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

> an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn

Did you deduce that from first principles, or did you fall asleep with the TV on and wake up knowing it ?

@cjd

I have no access to TV or cable... so first principles is the only answer

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

I think that to see him as a *particularly* bad guy requires a lot of ignorance to what The Oligarchy does.

They and their little "free trade agreements" turned vast swaths of America into an unlivable hell-scape the likes of which are not seen anywhere else in the world. Then you have 9/11, patriot act, and Bush's forever wars and dumping of heroin on the people, in addition to destroying America's credibility in the world by wanton embrace of torture.

I don't know how you measure "evil" but if it's by the amount of human suffering created, 1000 Trumps couldn't even hold a candle to what the Clinton or Bush families have been capable of.

@cjd @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei eyo. Free trade is good.

Unironically, I stand for it.

Patriot act bad, and I stand against it.

@deavmi

I guess what is meant by free trade...

Some use it to mean no regulation, in other words, your free to manipulate the markets all you want so long as you dont make any laws to enable it...

Others mean free trade as minimally regulated where those regulations are generally limited towards preventing hijacking, manipulation, and control of the market.. For example someone would argue a monopoly forming and being able to price-fix the market would not be free trade, in which case the govt would be expected to step in and address the monopoly.

@jeff @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@freemo @jeff @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei I believe the latter is a free market. Price choices are business freedom if they choose to sell at said price.

@deavmi

Yea I'd disagree, a completely unregulated market leads to a non-free market where a few large players can dominate the natural equilibrium of prices by engaging in price-fixing.

@jeff @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@freemo @deavmi @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei like free speech who gets to decide is okay? either all of it is okay or none of it. sanctions are proof that we do not have free trade and it is alaughable to suggest otherrwise

@jeff

The people get to decide. And we have quite a few examples of free speech with legal consequences... libel, slander, calls to violence, etc.

@deavmi @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@jeff

All of us, and yes both of us were involved assuming you exercized your right to be involved.

@deavmi @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@freemo @deavmi @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei this is why i assert we do not have free trade and actual free trade would destroy the USA
Follow

@jeff

We dont have free trade based on either of our choices of definition.. we generally have trade that is overregulated in most cases, and in a few isolated cases may be underregulated as well... but either case what we have now does not resemble free trade.

@deavmi @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

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