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"My freedom doesnt end where your fear begins. Freedom is scary, deal with it." -- John H. Bryan
@ambihelical its a natural right, and it should be.
Now chasing you to inflict fear on you would be harassment. But that has more to do with being unwanted and chased than the fear. At least as far as I'm concerned.
@freemo Aren't you violating my natural right to freewill and choice by coercing me to run via the fear of potential violence? This seems analogous to fraud, where the violation of one's rights isn't as obvious and getting e.g. bludgeoned. But it's still a violation.
@ambihelical No, your freewill allows you to walk away from things that give you fear, not to control another person so they dont put you in fear.
@freemo GB Shaw was often quoted as saying "Your freedom ends where my nose begins" -- perhaps he had a really long nose or he could sniff fear. Dunno.
@illandan I think its fair to say that my freedom ends where yours begins... which is to say you have bodily autonomy to walk away when your in fear. :)
@freemo Freedom is all about choice, granted. But if by exercising that freedom, you were to put others in real danger (where their fears may be quite justified), you just turn out to be a jerk in using your freedom.
@illandan Thats not what we are talking about. We are talking about fear, not "real dangder"... separate things. Putting people in real mortal danger is typically illegal (depending on the circumstances).
Hmm, I WAS talking about danger, specifically the threat of violence. The quote didn't really specify what caused that fear, so I didn't think it was true in this case.
I agree that some things that might get you scared aren't a reason to restrict someone else's freedom, but there are things that can get you scared that should. So the original quote just isn't true in all cases, It sounds good but it shaves a few too many corners.
It seems freedom from the threat of violence is included as a natural right (did some research), which makes sense to me. I you saying you don't think that is a natural right?
Well the point is the fear itself isnt what you have a right to be able to avoid... there are plenty of indirect things that cause fear you might have a right to not have in your world (in a fair world) but that is not the same as saying you have a right to not be exposed to things that scare you.
@freemo I dunno causing someone intentional fear is not a protected right. There are specific laws against that kind of abuse.