Capitalism #Transformation #Cooperating #Commons ?
2 #Quotes I liked by @messaroundmarx
#Quote 1
"The most difficult question for a social #transformation will probably be how we change from competing lone warriors to cooperating individuals who are turned towards each other in the knowledge that our own well-being depends on the well-being of our fellow humans."
Post: https://zirk.us/@messaroundmarx/109865775711665644
#Wellbeing #Together #Humans vs #Alone #Individuals #Competing
#Quote 2
"The problem is: Even if a majority realized it, most people couldn't imagine a viable alternative. #Capitalist categories are so deeply internalized in our minds that a non-authoritarian alternative is not conceivable for most of us!"
Post: https://zirk.us/@messaroundmarx/110266395758764932
My added hashtags as comments:
#Change #System vs. #Change #Minds ?
If you think capitalism is a problem and needs moving away from you already failed. Also the idea that this person things capitalism equates to authoritarianism doubly so. In fact it requires authoritarianism to institute most things that arent capitalism, capitalism is the one form that doesnt require authoritarianism, it is the default.
@freemo @messaroundmarx There are 2 quotes here.
I assume it's the 2nd quote mostly about authoritarianism that is mostly the focus...
...which, if so, would you consider authority or authoritarianism as an uncaring (or almost financially-only caring) Bank and State Authority as the kind of dictator(s) or de-facto equivalent (i.e. without you totally using Bank or State then you are a mere nothing deliberately made increasingly conditional, whether they declare themselves as this or that political label.
Those two (or just for the purposes of this reply) are sole rulers and sources of life (or monopoly of it) and soon imprisoning people for non-conforming reasons (more examples of kangeroo #courts / #juries asked to #ignore evidence / terrorism chargers used on Twitter / Mastodon style social people silences and in jail / mothers arrested fpr speaking etc)...
So theoretically or de-facto would you agree Modern #Capitalism (or just today's type of actions and non-action of Banks and State (whatever we call their actions as) is requiring these two authorities and not just the softer or neutral types of Capitalism.
The increasing #ultimatum and #conditional demanding #conforming to (or take it or leave life if you want) makes increasingly everything #illegal or incompatible by default and today's kind of Capitalism is more #punishment orientated...
Capitalism here as a constantly changing or added #restriction / #redefinition which is why we can not just focus on #labels like Authoritarianism but the #behaviour and track #record / #history, as well as what they #finance (#war), how they have things failed constantly in echange for profit / power etc etc, that contribute to similar things...
As part of constant systematic pattern (whatever we call that) and even considering people being #ignorant also (yes), but definitely no change to that model of #business as usual. Namely #tax, #territorial #aggression etc.
And on the other side more positive to humans, today it's hardly about #communication between #state and people, giving power to people, talking about well-being of humans, which I'd include as part of what makes it "Authoritarian style" behaviour also when it's without those components and considerations... would you agree?
Happy New Year by the way :)
I have no issue with the first quote which says nothing about capitalism at all really. It just says people should work together rather than against each other. As a statement in isolation I don't disagree.
There are authoritarian things related to a "bank-state" I certainly disagree with. The fact that if I make large transactions it can open me to investigation and you are effectively required to use a bank for large transactions is certainly a vioaltion of rights.
So yea I agree with the issue there, only disagree with the assertion that is a property of capitalism, it isnt. In fact it is anti-capitalism as it gives a bank privilege and thus breaks free-market principles.
So I largely disagree what you associate with capitalism, more so than the issues you raise themselves which more or less seem valid.
Usually when people try to exclude opposing but polite opinions it is a strong indicator they don't feel their argument will stand scrutiny. Usually when people suggest I remove people from a conversation because I don't like hearing criticisms the only effect that has on me is to discredit them completely.
You weakened your own case more than any argument from me could hope to, I on the other hand continue to welcome your thoughts on the matter so long as they stay respectful.