@barefootstache @opensourceseeds
Nope how's it useful?
( whatever people push more is getting my more attention right now!) So tell me a story or how it works for you... :) Planting yourself?

@freeschool @opensourceseeds

Not planting but securing that seeds don't become privatized like the way they were originally intended. When you realize that 3 corporations own 60% of the patents on seeds. One will quickly realize that food security is at risk even for wealthy nations.

@barefootstache @opensourceseeds
As comforts start to fade (prices go up) and just-in-time methods fail (are delayed), then these points about food certainly come into focus... but I feel people are going to be stuck in paying mode more than planting since they already came out of it (a lot of people have no clue or land)

While food sovereignty is not totally possible without mass of keeping care of and hard with tax sometimes just for holding land (which needs paying itself over and over). also the leaning hard on other countries or using monetary system quickly comes back to bite us harder and makes it obvious again that most people should be tending to land and planet for food (and possibly each to their own lands) to take real care of things (feeding people) rather than relying on evaporating virtual currencies from banks and power-play monopoly visions as the default in life... which only leverage / push down the other people further away from practice and these skills as % what jobs government gives (I'd prefer eco-system a bit more than machines-only or machines-1st as default to doing anything)

Much of this generation is also losing land or doesn't even have it or paying more which I realised seeds need to grow so it makes somewhat unsuable or not the other thing needed... while I think A LOT it's is great to keep... we'll see if we ever use them. (I'd prefer if we were planting right now).

This is why I suggested 'we' (some of us) go YOLO from now and use the few wealthy 'kids' / friends of the Earth we have who can enjoy their remote work etc to umbrella others while we tend to (our/their) land and help them relieve families from being locked out of this lifestyle and practices ourselves by doing land stuff and human repair... well right now.

I'd arguably leave my computer.

This may only start after we have time when it's too late... and while held in corporate boxes or fragile job themselves.

So my main point wanted to be is

1- it's a great idea to 'save seeds' (if that's the right term)
and come plant some here!

2- even with seeds the practice is questionably not there in many places or mindsets (so seeds are super for future but less and less in practice and when desperate is not going to feed if not really prepared)

3- space being lost or sold via currency forcing people to sell or increasing rents - lessening the ratio of buying power or doing things going totally astronomical as way of getting people deliberately locked-out.

@freeschool @opensourceseeds

Starting a commune seems like a far fetched idea, that most would probably be open to. Living off the lands type of feeling. (Here is a project that started back in 2020: https://futurethinkers.org/village/)

Given that climate change is a given, the biggest future risk is water security, because without it any commune will suffer. So your geographical choices are limited to mostly mountainous areas that get enough snow in the winter months.

Although it is sad that more and more people are losing landmass, that shouldn't stray people away from growing crops.

The farming technology is quite well these days that we can plant crops in areas that would be unimaginable decades ago, like with the London underground farm (https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/environment-and-conservation/2020/11/this-sacred-bean-saved-an-indigenous-clan-from-climate-calamity). Or we could use hydroponics and vertical farms.

The issue shouldn't be viewed only from a 2D aspect but rather in the 3D realm. It is true that more land area could hypothetically grow more crops, but if you go vertical, you could get similar yields with less area.

@barefootstache @Bigolbootybuttcake @opensourceseeds
Could you say a bit more about that sentence?

@Bigolbootybuttcake @barefootstache @opensourceseeds
Actually seaweed / kelp possibly I never heard before or maybe once harvesting it from sea!... so that's interesting
And other things people might label as 'hacks' or tips and tricks are realistic and not but often need very precise care, technical setup and maintenance and are questionable how long they last long-term for what is novel and virtuous start... but in the right place can work sometimes. (other lesser-known ways welcome to add here)

Time is 100% a big factor - that's why I'm living near-0... pretty much time is robbed once in the chain and even the money is given back to itself as travel / beers etc... so all is calculated maximised for least gain to individual and more for 'system' or 'company' of people robbing people directly / indirectly...

SO YES I think best for us is to take back our time as much as you cn (spend it as much as possible elsewhere, not do free overtime etc) and hope for the best with people in text and audio chats :)

SIDE TOPIC / ANECDOTE / OPTIONAL
As a novel tested idea I built this small outside oven in 1 or 2 months
http://freeschool.0id.org/cob-oven/
Just to test out if it can make bread and pizzas, of which is bread not really worth for one or two but pizzas can use the heat space better for many quick in-and-out units... but the smaller dome space does need being constantly aware of the wood and heat inside and by eye mostly regulating pizzas. So anyway that was a test from someone raving about it online.
It's a face-paced thing and does work well like that but bread maybe for smaller buns and if wood is properly prepared in right size.

I had ideas of making pizza for the whole world lol and well maybe I still do... but people would only start hating it so it's back to the people work!)
SIDE TOPIC END...

MORE TIPS WELCOME (or suggest what I can do from what you see about me)

Any other tips / advice on 'hacking' the people (getting them interested / self-motivated welcome)... that's kind of my line at the moment doing whatever interests others mainly!
My next guest is here which is going to be an excellently edited chat...
http://freeschool.0id.org/xmpp-open-source-freedom-free-software-creative-commons-copyright-audio/

@barefootstache @opensourceseeds
By planting I guess it's allowing things to keep / spread itself / stay alive... can't do much about the companies as 1-shot kill apart from wait them out or just use home grown and hope they die off from not being profitable (I know they would make some laws against anything in their interest / partner up but hey ideas welcome )...

UPDATE: just saved a TON of seeds and posted a picture- https://qoto.org/@freeschool/109177363859952914

but not sure how to grow... needs to be winter so they start to germinate I believe...