All technological improvement under such templates and regimes are MORE than a just a potentially bad combination. You just can't see it yet or haven't already, but they will consistently find a way to fuck things further despite your good intentions / inventions. Sorry STEM.
The middle finger isn't for STEM, it's for people who are inclined to sit on it willingly and even enjoy, as well as those who think their creations can't or won't be used against them and never imagine it could give them the finger in return. It's by design. Which is the best genuine compliment I can give to STEM.
My point is we've gone too far in many things and no need for more of that.
I reserve the right to amend this slightly.
@freeschool
is this a rant or do you have a basis for this? Source material? General context?
@lucifargundam I was thinking about that myself.
And then I thought:
if people don't see the pattern, don't know some history, haven't experienced how tech or tech in their job has screwed them / is screwing them... [cut out list] and why mostly cold numbers / matrices = cold world, how business is pure extraction of energy (planet and people)... [another long list snipped]
and can't see how inventions were used against each other instead of powering co-operation or just anything other than territorial destruction etc etc
[another list snipped]...
then what should I say to that person...? without even having contempt in the not knowing, since it does seem rather clear it's the case than not.
Perhaps the above may be enough for your own experience and eyes to go with it a bit ... but if that is not the case or far from it then may I suggest one way to try... which is to almost say how it isn't any of the above.
I think the source and general context here is of World Wars or Small Wars Everywhere in Everything since we learned from everything how to do it.... it is generally in ALL YOU SEE AROUND YOU plundering and taking advantage...
But again I respect without big weight if you don't see whatever / any of these parts... I'm basically saying the tangent of World War and endlessly using it for more money and more hi-tech, means we are still on that tangent through everything 'we' can get our hands on and mess up (some is domestic type hand-me-downs, some is just fuelling space missions or jet fuel or whatever through taxes). Again totally respect if you don't acknowledge that period of time or how expensive it is to run these operations, and I'm not even sure what you could pick that actually almost didn't prove we went the other way since that was the mentality for a long time as the default and arguably still is (unless you think is also not the case or far from it, and somehow philanthropy or good-will has taken over). I'd ask you to prove otherwise as I think you might have one or two sharper points than my drivel list of everything pretty much everything even in disguise of 'helping' people.
@lucifargundam
So this is I think last one of remaining left to reply / might have missed it...
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/108636609579643666
You asked for some Source material? General context?
and I basically said it might be best to see from the perspective "What you see don't see as covering all I said?" because frankly "practically all of it" covers it more than anything... and instead of me just writing I think you have better brains to focus on one or two of your own points so it's not just me ranting... What do you see that is not this kind of recursive dishonesty / tricking people / stealing etc etc (already mentioned) ?
What do you see as not that and even good?
Also if you don't want to reply then I can take that as a reply itself no probs and small unwanted victory that there isn't much in the world with stuff mentioned being under it and branching off.
@lucifargundam
I recommend a draw game.
I think we both made a meal out of this though I favour my side because of the 'everything bad' as a type of underlying life tangent, I represent what is measurably control and power (of again everything)... nothing seems to click for you to continue... so I would draw this game.
All is good it seems for yoru world perhaps and well you might wait for specific examples on my side or can't accept your list of the bad things in the world... perhaps this stops you even mentioning your own exceptions in life...
So I tried twice, I think I can accept something isn't working here and well your reply is almost like a tease. So I wonder now if you're serious. Probably yes but computer kinda say no or I haven't asked it in the right way or given enough parameters apart from life is pretty shit - do you understand ? If not goto LINE 1.
Do Loop
I can't understand (without much frustration) how you don't get it at all and I must be missing something also (could be true but seems you might not be one to tell me). I do include that many times people can somehow not see using something bad to do good doesn't work, people don't get it literally it could be a big con and increasingly so... as if they can't admit it .
So you might agree but don't see overwhelming examples everywhere and can't miss (spin a roulette with all news on it or throw it as a dartboard list) but then you can't even counter or say anything much of an example yourself... rubber duck? John Wick?... are you serious?
...even humorously for sure you win.
Anyway... a draw is good for the attempt but you must be happy or content or blind... (and that includes me when *maybe* one day I realise something else
It's like a chip is missing... and don't mean that in a looking down way just would be happy to find it but I'm going to call it a draw game and part of the modern position. Understanding not found.
Saying so clearly so many times... to try and counter what in reality is literally everything... well maybe there is no answer for that
but what you said which frankly is overkill.
I also experienced it with more than one person... always technical or engineer orientated it seems... people who might totally agree but somehow can still overlook everything...
@freeschool
For as.mucn as I may endure to struggle with reading your clearly well-driven replies, they also come across hastily written and poorly formatted for easier external consumption.
If I understand you correctly, when asked for an example or specific reference- you responded with a vague gesture as a means to imply that the requested citations were already presented. This was further emphasized with a deflection to assume general knowledge of numerous and likely torrentially-documented armed conflicts throughout a prolonged span of time. Finally, if I do still follow your convection of the discussion accurately enough- you suggested that I provide a brief example as to counter your position on the topic; that's considerate of you- thanks.
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To be completely blunt, frank, laymen and short::
When has a single rubber duck bath toy ever killed anyone or led to the destruction of an entire ecosystem(outside of a John Wick fanfiction or some other nonsensical work of fiction)?