@infosec_jcp @freemo Thanks - will reply first to not lose touch and work backwards in response which I like from what I see flying through it and your suggestions...

Will write more in a moment and adding more to it (though the first you got well enough) and I think revisions don't offer much more right now) and will delete revision as I go... kind of to gain eye-balls as working copies and as a backup as I type too... more in a bit...

@freeschool @freemo

Cool! Thanks👍🙋‍♂️

@infosec_jcp @freemo █For sure I don't assume everything unproductive is not good or if I don't see it or some result "for me" then it's bad - but just overall like for a while (most of my life) and a whole generation of people (me included) we got wrapped up in Playstation or fiddling with windows (or newer version as Linux included) and types of "more of the same or a bit better" and as humans (including Admins) they mostly left behind humanity or less space for it or can't do more which I sympathise a bit but now they have to undo that now they have things mostly running and need to di it less...
I guess the level in person (across the board from street, church, parents etc) can't do than 2 mins chat or have distanced-belief that even if you get to the "yeah you're right" stage that they can go to "this is really the way as cringe as this is- it's humans not computers FTW MOSTLY!" - especially now we have all the tools we can run out so easily as own instances for a #jitsi chat or #docker 1 click type service etc (though that's really more recent to be honest - even a year maybe to be known or implemented)...

@infosec_jcp @freemo █I'm not asking my admin for more - asked / begged enough as nice as what I got back is - I think there is a definite line and even worse not drawn quite clearly - it's more machines for the way than therapy / building from our server colony / population

█ I'm also deleting freemo as name-mention from these subsequent replies so he would have got first few which I think is enough if interested. He's also busy with other stuff right now (as much as I know and can 'speak' for him in limited way)

█ Like I've said on my posts "the business of growing people" vs. "growing of something else mostly government based" I think is the distinction I want to hear and from people

█🙋‍♂️ This hand up emoji - wondering what it means here at the beginning and end of message? Not too bothered or 2nd guessing you - but just making sure if this is a political gesture, just say, so it's clear as I don't see it often and you had the wave there already.

@infosec_jcp [UPDATED - Nothing major]
Points, each starting with █:

█ I might be interested in adding to my list & discussion - but probably more organically and accurately finding those already interested else its over-extending one's welcome more often than not or pushing my agenda it seems to improve ourselves or find something relative to do.

█ ...the three feeds under the 🌐 icon?
Not sure what you mean but if you are suggesting the Global Feeds (Federated) to find interest randomly and view this feed, then yeah it can work and also a bit jumping in desperation to 'find friends' which is hit and miss...

People like work and projects to put that as focus but relationships like that can end as soon as work does (so no use any person sometimes, just adding to open source).

Global or random does not really seem relative enough (though nothing seemingly is!) though for sure more people I can follow AND THEN comment etc and see what happens... I guess I'm coming from already trying and spending energy or using people for "my own mission" (it's not their mission basically)... but maybe

Hashtags I'd say are a good way too with some global feeds occasionally... but really it's for others to do some work and even have faith / test some trust.

I dare say they are all weak in this way and strong in too common ways.

█ "If you are interested in following news here"...

Will have a look but what news?
Just following news? In general I'd like a way for contact and improve humans who want to do that themselves, and to put it in a short way "align themselves" since most is crooked / built by bloat etc...

so following and communicating needs all these things in the mix... a big ask I know.

█ ...ideally "they" (a group and some individuals) also come to me... but who really knows what a Freeschool is basically from 60's 70's and wants all-in almost with it's definition or to help new forms of it? ➡️ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=freeschool )

Who wants to use time literally to marathon explore ideas until we find "it" in between what they do already and that being the way to use less-expert masses as well as existing specialists.

█now it seems groups and causes only ask for money / donations 🤣 and nothign else... which is fine until it's only that 🙄 and not even way to feedback or uses the opposite-to-cause 3rd party platforms.

I've literally replied to all the these causes, and they have one or 2 replies back IF THAT. Mention money and you get a reply.

Some I'm part of this bad loop / dead end and it's just excuses for not doing human work which yes someone has to do... not willing to do the human work / stick to money or nothing is crap- from #RMS to unreplied #Email newsletters, even request feedback - just not much at all...

#AralBalkan and all those too busy or in their own thing, we need to unlock into something people process a bit better... but whatever... money or nothing mostly for the now...

█ Have you talked to some #fediverse server admins about their experience here on the fediverse vs. the Oligarch Controlled web hosting platforms?
Yep mostly on the money side - #Stux and some #FreeTrade people didn't understand all money starts out as debt (need to buy it first / get a loan).

#Gargron not seeing interest in suggesting to others to not use google on a not-for profit platform (Mastodon)... or using existing open source #Invidious links as simple recommendation post or option in Mastodon to auto-add alternative links or just anything to point people or software in the right leanings...

Paraphrasing (was a short reply) he said "I don't see why I should suggest to others, it's their link" as if ethos or software wasn't part of this and conversion should continue after you get software and then add lots of commercial links like an ad-farm on top (and I'm trying not to be umbrella extreme here but we're just becoming farms for them or do the same we would on twitter).

So if Mastodon can spend energy and time to sue people using Mastodon software incorrectly, perhaps they can defend a bit against companies scraping their platform and instances or have some PR about links?...)

Who else... let's say all I've come in contact with or throw myself into conversation lol

Although I accept my own analysis is limited, could be more etc and as you suggest "observe for longer" my answer is still NO THEIR LEVEL IS NOT ENOUGH BY FAR, to the an extent I'm sure people are too busy (I've analysed this too) from family, lack of sleep to everything else on top... which is why you / I have to sort everything eventually as a kind of therapy and alignment. Capitalism is sustaining people but not nourishing / encouraging love for their body etc... ok will cut it there...

█ feel free to DM people if you know them and they would want to reading this - it could be a kind of qualification to contacting me... as most read only short stuff like a type of short-sightedness or inability to filter while stll caring.

You are / were literally 1 in 100 in terms of speed / content etc.

█ Let's see how long you last too () said nicely here and all in the positive spectrum even if seemingly it sounds that it's not.