If the Fediverse fails to organise itself, the future is #Fascism 

" If we fail, the future is . "
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by ageingoptimist Nov 2023

As Homo selfishens breaches more planetary boundaries (climate being just one of those) the will show up not just via adverse events but through serious# economic disruption. That will include worsening inflation, problems, # failures, and debt default. The result will be increasing inequality, and .

Conventional economics will attempt to explain these in the usual hand-waving terms, and fail.

Angry will, as always, blame the incumbent . In this will lead to pointless lurching from left to right and back again, with – very likely – a gradual trend towards . In non-democratic nations, it’ll lead to a rapid clampdown on human and . The end result, in either case, is .

To that mix, add the increasing problem of mass from states that are failing as well as gradually becoming unlivable due to climate disruption, and we have the perfect recipe for in coming .

Any for a viable future must surely take this into account and try to the wider ; if we do that we might ameliorate the worst of it.

If we fail, the future is .

If the Fediverse fails to organise itself, the future is #Fascism 

@freeschool What in the world? That argument is extremely weak, hand waving its way to run counter to the normal paths of entropy, as disorganization doesn't give strong centers handles through which to implement fascism.

If we fail the future is anarchy, not fascism.

If the Fediverse fails to organise itself, the future is #Fascism 

@volkris I can see you point.
As a quick thought (which I will think more on also) I think anarchy is really something people will quickly to move into, it was degrade and degrade with people looking to hang onto whoever can promise anything and not look to themselves (as that is how it is now and they are simply not ready for DIY or even the word anarchy) so that leads me to think as it degrades just smaller dictators and fascism who have the money are obviously going to last longest until really death itself probably, and then maybe short time of anarchy or anything else.
State and it's roots () are what finance and stem all else it seems so that why people stick to it and even prepared to blame this group, that group until perhaps state just exterminates all groups not in line with it. And that just leave fascists (or financial fascists let's say as the same kind of definition of: hierarchical authoritarian governance).

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@volkris Re-reading this particular post I missed out the "not" in my writing, even though you did get what I mean but anyway it should have said:

" I think anarchy is _not_ really something people will quickly to move into, "

⬇️ KIDS... ⬇️

You mentioned kids and I think already this reflects people who quickly kick kids out or even before that expect them to go work for whoever / whatever in order to say they are "working" / being enslaved...

⬇️ Propping System ⬇️
People are already propping.
And the main point of any potential confusion or disconnect is as what point or when / what we mean by fail as it seem some parts will already be there even if unmanned or not as fast, not all things might 'fail' so that can confuse things as it might even be free water for a while in case of emergeny in order to get the capitalism profit machine going again after.

So even failure can be suddenly repaired / ignored / temporarily relieved as long as it keep hope people can resume things afterwards.

It's all a bit theoretical so maybe you could specify a specific situation in more detail?

⬇️ SUSTAINABLE ⬇️

Things do not have to be sustainable - goal posts are moved all the time and people do near-nothing which suggests people will do similar until really really have to and even then not going to take it on themselves or even worse they will do the bad work as anarchy or structureless version.

It's all a bit theoretical so maybe you could specify a specific situation in more detail?

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