Would you tip 0% if a person was excessively negligent in providing you a service where tipping is the norm?

@freemo no. If tipping is expected, they get the standard tip. I don't have brain cycles for micromanaging other people's employees.

@mjambon I suppose that also means if they are extra over the top helpful they also don't get extra tip?

@freemo correct. I'm still thinking about tipping vs. not tipping. I try to rationalize my attitude but I realize it's deeply cultural.

@mjambon Cultural to some extent, but real circumstantial. Like in the USA people need tip to survive, not so much anywhere else. I dont see that as culture so much as legal circumstances.

@freemo what do you mean they need tips? Fast-food workers don't get tips, they survive, and I as a customer I prefer the experience.

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@freemo kitchen staff don't get tips either. In a state like California, it means they make minimum wage whereas the tipped staff makes the same minimum wage + tips. Just saying that the "tips are necessary" argument is cultural.

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