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Would you tip 0% if a person was excessively negligent in providing you a service where tipping is the norm?
@freemo it's a tough call, especially if you might suspect the tips are shared with other employees who actually were helpful.
@volkris That is a very good point.
@freemo no. If tipping is expected, they get the standard tip. I don't have brain cycles for micromanaging other people's employees.
@mjambon I suppose that also means if they are extra over the top helpful they also don't get extra tip?
@freemo correct. I'm still thinking about tipping vs. not tipping. I try to rationalize my attitude but I realize it's deeply cultural.
@mjambon Cultural to some extent, but real circumstantial. Like in the USA people need tip to survive, not so much anywhere else. I dont see that as culture so much as legal circumstances.
@freemo what do you mean they need tips? Fast-food workers don't get tips, they survive, and I as a customer I prefer the experience.
@freemo kitchen staff don't get tips either. In a state like California, it means they make minimum wage whereas the tipped staff makes the same minimum wage + tips. Just saying that the "tips are necessary" argument is cultural.
@mjambon I mean in jobs where tips are expected the minimum wage is something like $2. In jobs where tipping isn't expected min wage is like $15. So yes McDonald's cashier's in the USA make way more base hourly than a waitor.
@freemo right. In California, everyone makes the same minimum hourly wage of $16 regardless of tips. There's no "employer discount" for tipped employees like at the federal level and many other states. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
@mjambon ohhh news to me. Nice
@freemo I also had no idea until like 2 months ago.
@freemo I can’t remember the last time I got service that bad though
@realcaseyrollins It has to be pretty deliberate. But i order way too much so it can happen a few times a year for me. Far more often the rever happens where I give a 40% tip for exceptional service (my maid gets 40% tip every time standard at this point)
the one exception I can think off was unusually professional service offered by one energetic employee at a Taco Bell of all places. i actually took time out of my day to email the company praising the young man.
i think tipping be banned altogether. tipped employees should be paid like everyone else. if you wanna slip an employee some extra cash under the table because they could use it or they are going above an beyond, be my guest, but it should not be institutionalized. keep it under the table.
Us or outside?
@freemo I may be too Dutch to tip at all, ever. I dunno.
Back in Berlin we tipped 1 euro cent because of the terrible service and food we received.
In Eastern Europe I've seen bars and restaurants charging a 10% service fee, which usually is not allowed by law, and is a tip by another name.
@ligthert @freemo if it's for food service and they did a good job, tip. If it's delivery at least toss a couple of bucks on it, only a very bad delivery should have no tip. People wear and tear their cars, it takes an exorbitant amount of time with traffic, parking and waiting for orders, and gas is expensive. Delivery work sucks. Tip your delivery drivers, especially if they go above and beyond.
@ligthert @freemo In the US, delivery is mostly done by Uber eats and Doordash. People use their own cars. In cities like LA it's really hard to make a profit after time, depreciation, parking, and gas. The only type of delivery transportation that's really profitable is motorcycles/scooters and maybe e-bikes. And delivery on those is hard due to limited radius and capacity, no large orders. The tips really make or break it. Especially since recently doordash has changed their structure.
USA tipping and Dutch tipping arent really comparable. In the netherlands they are paid a fair wage. Obviously tipping helps, but they are paid a living wage, tipping is what it should be for, extra as a thank you for excellent service. It isnt needed to ensure they get fair pay.
That said, if you can afford it it is certainly nice to be generous with people.
@freemo tip $0.01 people forget to tip once in a while, so a low tip is better noticed.