MZan @mzan@qoto.org
I'm a software developer. I live in Italy.
Joined Mar 2021
@freemo I always dream that a modified version of recumbent bikes can replace many cars and electric cars.
Here
https://ace-shop.com/en/why-recumbents/speed/
at 250w of human power, the speed of an aerodynamic recumbent is 69km/h vs 29km/h of a normal bike and 35km/h of a sport racing bike.
Imagine one of these bikes with a trunk, some small electric unit, etc...
@louis@emacs.ch @RenewedRebecca
I prefer the LispWork suggestion, but there is also Eiffel
https://www.eiffel.com/eiffelstudio/
https://www.eiffel.com/eiffelstudio/screenshots/
I never used the portable GUI library, but the language is very nice to use.
> I feel like the Miss Universe beauty pageant will be a really awkward thing to explain to the aliens when they finally visit us for the first time....
so can it be the case that Miss Jupiter will be more attractive than the most beautiful girl on Earth? 😃
as motivation of gun-ban, I remember having read in some place that the differences between homicide rate in USA and Canada nearby cities were very different, and in favor of Canada.
During this discussion I tried to compare Detroit and Toronto, but there were no big differences. Rather similar.
Then I found a comparison between a big USA city and a rather smaller Canadian city, and it is not fair comparing two different type of communities.
Your data is rather convincing, in the sense that now I have doubts. So one more reason for not believing the media, without double-checking.
For turning completely my mind, I need obviously to research more data, because stats can lie, also if taken in good faith. But initially, I believed that stats were completely in favor of the ban, but this does not seem the case anymore.
I took my data from "Statistics Canada"
I saw them only in number, but if I use your chart view (that is compatible with the numbers of my link), I agree with this last your message. The spike is clear.
My analysis was wrong because I saw only the numbers, not the charts. My fault.
Remain the fact that also in USA in the same period there were a similar increase.
Maybe the law introduced in 1966 does not affect the already sold guns, but only the new guns.
You said that in 1966, after the introduction of ban on guns in Canada, the homicide rate increased. And that it is the usual effect of these type of bans.
I noted that in Canada the rate were increasing from 1960, so prior to the ban of gun. It reached a peak on 1977.
1.28 homicide each 100k citizen in 1960; 1.41 in 1965; 3.0 in 1977.
Meanwhile in USA, from 4 of 1960 to 11 of 1977.
So one can derive, instead, that in these years the homicide rate increased both in USA and Canada, despite Canada introduced bans.
For sure, it seems that the ban of guns in Canada did not influenced the homicide rate. So my initial thesis is not so much convincing now. But your thesis about the increasing as consequence of the ban, is not completely validated, by these stats alone, because there were a similar increasing also in USA.
@freemo ok interesting: the homicide levels increased.
But in this chart
https://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/dbassesite/documents/webpage/dbasse_083892.pdf also
USA had a massive spike in homicides rates. More than Canada. And the USA not banned guns.
Maybe you are correct, but I had to study a lot of stats, before being sure.
@freemo Hitler was a "dictator" who reached the power through propaganda, not through the force of the guns. So this particular example is not sound, IMHO.
I have no access to the other statistics about the rise of homicides in case of ban of the guns. So if you have some link, I will read.
They told me that Canada has a lot less murders by gun respect USA, because they have also more controls on the license.
Excerpt from this link:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/06/americas/canada-deadly-gun-violence/index.html
> For a decade, there were about five murders per year in Canada with three or more victims, according to the country’s national statistics agency.
> For one, Canadian law requires citizens to undergo robust background checks and mandatory training before obtaining a gun license.
> Reasons for license denials or revocations have included mental health concerns, potentially being a threat to oneself or others, court orders, and lying on license applications.
Is this article wrong? Apparently the only logical conclusion is that the Canada way is better than the USA way. Were am I wrong?
@freemo I have no time to read all the toots, but IMHO, for certain themes like guns, illegal drugs, alcoholics, prostitution, etc... one should compare the effects of different rules in different nations, for deciding the best approach.
For example if gun regulamentation is effective in reducing a lot the crimes, then it can be a good thing, despite there can be cases of person affected in negative by this limitation.
If buying drugs in a regular way reduce the profit of criminal cartels and the health impact on society, why not?
etc...
Summing up: a nation should do the contrary of USA: public health-care system; legal drugs; prohibition of guns. 🙂
@antares
Theoretically, we can improve current democratic process, laws, etc... instead of making a revolution. For example, a separation between speculative/financial banks and economic/commercial banks will reduce a lot the power of finance.
In practice, we live inside a soft-power oligarchy, so also if it seems feasible, there will be always something preventing these type of changes.
sorry if I misgendered your MIME-type and I didn't used You/Url as your preferred pronouns :-)
@freemo @mzan oh no. now I'm an invalid xml element
> I think you accidentally broke @icedquinn tag with that reply.
sorry. If the qoto assembly will decide so, I will eat the hemlock. Except, qoto is a tiranny, then I will follow @freemo decision 🙂
@icedquinn
also in antique Greece, they noted that often the majority vote was not representing the free thinking of the assembly, but it was heavily influenced from the oratory art of the best speaker. In a similar way, now days, information is heavily controlled and manipulated. Worse: we have no permanent assemblies, but we vote only every few years.
We should have a better organized democracy, and informative system, using more the technology we have. But there is no will to do this.
And as you noted, if the institution that had to apply a process, are not fair, then a citizen can be "legally" oppressed.
@blob.cat @freemo
@freemo in other words, in Greece, democracy was like a Tirrany, but instead of giving all the power to a single man, or to a restrict number of people (oligarchia), they gave all the power to the vote of the majority.
Other fun fact: in many places, the king was not considered a tyrant, but a man that had to "serve" his people and partially subject to law and obliged to be fair. They considered "democracy" too much inefficient, and they trusted more a restricted number of people for taking decisions, protecting the kingdom, and maintaining order.
Often we see history like a fable, but there are many subtle variations.
@freemo fun fact: in ancient Greece, democracy was all about the "power" (i.e. 'crazia') to the citzens (i.e. 'demos'), through a majority vote during an assembly, after a free discussion. There were no clear concepts of individual rights and respect of the minority, like in modern democracies. There were no supreme constitutional rights: if the majority vote decides something, this will be effective.
The assembly was used for direct government, and also for judging people in trials. For example Socrate was condemned from a jury of 500 or more citizens. They did not applied codified laws, but they decided that what he was doing was a danger for the values of the community, because the majority of the assembly decided so.
@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch
Summing up, my impression is that ECL and CLASP are better than SBCL when you want to use CL for "orchestrating" the calling of C or C++ libraries, because the overhead is nearly zero.
The business logic will be in Common Lisp, and thanks to macro you can reduce the boilerplate, also creating DSL. But all the hard algorithms will be in C/C++.
Instead, if you had to write an hard algorithm in Common Lisp, SBCL is faster.
@ramin_hal9001
I never used seriously ECL and CLASP, but only started some session and read some documentation.
IRRC: ECL and CLASP are in worst case condition also 20x times slower than SBCL on some pure Common Lisp code; ECL functions can be called directly from C, because the ECL run-time is very C-friendly and with minimal or non-existent overhead; CLASP is doing the same but with C++, thanks to its integration with the LLVM compiler; interaction between SBCL and C code has always some overhead because the two run-times are very different; I don't know if this overhead of SBCL can be reduced if you interact mainly with vectors of fixed-size integers and similar data-structures, but if you have an API with a lot of calls, you had to pay a price.
BTW, it's impressive starting an ECL or CLASP environment, with all access to C/C++ code, but having a friendly REPL. Python is slower and it does not give this interactivity.
@emacs.ch @rwxrwxrwx
> you might want to be aware that the Depp situation is far from clear cut – he lost the cases in the UK and won the case in the US.
I followed the Deep case and it is completely clear that he is the victim. The UK judgment stated that 2 + 2 = 5.
@freemo I didn't figure out that qoto.org stays for cute.organizer 😃
I'm a software developer. I live in Italy.
Joined Mar 2021
