“Let's combat the pay gap! Sexual harassment! Glass ceiling! STEM inequality! Ignored heroines! Rape culture! Sexist language! Pressure to be pretty! **Down with the patriarchy!**”
“Uh… What about male lifespan, work casualties, military deaths, the draft, parental fraud, traffic accidents, suicide victims, homicide victims, homelessness, imprisonment, drug abuse, family courts, work hours, concrete floor, educational attainment? Shouldn't we at least _talk_ about that too?”
“Yeah, that's all the patriarchy! See? It's a system that oppresses both #women _and_ men. We feminists work to dismantle it. It's in men's best interest, too. Aren't you a #feminist?”
“Sure I am — if it's about equal treatment of both sexes under the law, and about removing any discrimination on the basis of sex.”
“Then you're against the #patriarchy, too.”
“Well, I would prefer a word that is less divisive and doesn't suggest that #men are the problem… I don't think ‘patriarchy’ really means what you just said. But if we _have_ to unite under that banner… so be it! Down with the patriarchy! Down with sexism!”
“Well said! See? We're in this together! Let's combat the pay gap! Sexual harassment! Glass ceiling! STEM inequality! Ignored heroines! Rape culture! Sexist language! Pressure to be pretty!”
“Wait. What?”
@tripu how the fuck is work deaths a sex equality issue? what's your solution, make sure more women die at work so it's equal, yay, we're done? No, the solution is to make sure less people die in general and that has nothing to do with their sex. Yes if the cultural inequality is decreased you might expect that statistic to also become more even, but that is just a side effect to observe as a curiosity. Same goes for most of your other "men issues" that is literally just mortality, or things like homelessness, imprisonment or drug abuse for same exact logic, the solution to those problems is not in equality of sexes. That leaves you with parental fraud and family court, you may talk about those things in this context... obviously these are very important problems that affect majority of people throughout their lifetime... major major things yes, and not at all a side effects of different issues...
sidenote: objective devaluation of men's lives stem exactly from the same logic as objective valuation of women's, and yes it is patriarchy
@b6hydra are you aware context... like the concept of it? It' s curiosity in context of inequality sexes, not for me. It's not a cause or some sort of a central issue, it's what you get as a result of the established culture.
Now care to actually answer my question? What is your proposed solution to decreasing work related fatalities, homelessness and the likes and how is it in any way related to inequality of sexes? Whatever solution your propose if it makes any sense what so ever it would not have anything to do with one's sex, it's out freaking context, while the OP tries to present it as if it is problem in context of inequality of sexes. Yes a man's life is valued less than woman's, in some cases it's valued less than property (which btw some people see woman as), that is a result of patriarchal culture, not the cause of it. Men die performing dangerous task on their own free will (as much as such a thing is possible) while women are safe and sound as slaves in their households. One of these problems you can solve by convincing people to treat sexes equally, while the other you can't. It's a derailing, a straw-man, that @tripu is using to make you think that this some kind of a all men vs all woman battle royal of who got it worse, while also trying to pretend that he's arguing against such sentiments.
@b6hydra I questioned your conception of context in hopes that you would read the OP again and stop derailing. The context I'm talking about is specifically the OP not what you and I happen to think is important at any given point of time.
I'm not asking you to propose the solution, I'm asking you to realize that the solution indeed needs to comprehensively address all social woes and problems, achieve world peace, cure cancer and find god, which you did, so good progress. The fact that the inequality of sexes tips the statistic is at most a curiosity. Now imagine someone talking about actual sex inequality issues, that can actually be solved with equality to various degrees, and then a wild tripu appears and goes like "but what about world peace, cancer and god, shouldn't you be talking about that as well, right now?". Now what do you call that? I call that derailing, and that's pretty much the OP.
