@olives @KelsonV

And yes, @eff doesn't give shits about things worth fighting for...
https://503junk.house/@rose/110985165520274278

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff I think there is kind of a distinction with a T1 provider, it is a greater bottleneck.

It is frustrating how seemingly ineffectual they can be in fighting for free expression. They're a free speech group, but unless the government is passing a bill, they nap in a lot of cases.

Government authoritarianism is important to oppose (and I suppose you don't want core infra providers with itchy fingers), of course, but so much is of a more corporate nature.

When I say free expression, I don't typically mean Joshua's little site here, it's more basic things like sexual expression, art, and more.

https://protectthestack.org
When they do comment on that (sort of), it is primarily in the context of infra.

@olives @KelsonV @eff you don't get it, do you?

1. #HurricaneElectric isn'a a Tier-1 and even if they were, there is no legal mandate for them to accept anything or provide services to anyone.
Espechally since there's no legally enforceable #NetNeutrality nor are they regulated as a "utility service" with "must provide" clauses.

2. Providers are already very twitchy and they'll block entire ASNs if they get listed by #Spamhaus.

3. #KiwiFarms is indefensible thus invalid discussion.

@olives @KelsonV

4. I'd follow @eff's argument if they also protested against financial embargos with no legal backing by payment processors against anything even remotely considered "sexual".

5. It only applies to KiwiFarms' ASN, so it's not as if there is any collateral damage to it.

6. You can make the argument about censorship by big providers once GMail, YahooMail, Outlook.com/Hotmail/Azure Hosted Exchange/GoDaddy et. al. do process abuse reports and don't just randomly block stuff...

@kkarhan @olives @eff

"I'd follow @eff's argument if they also protested against financial embargos with no legal backing by payment processors against anything even remotely considered "sexual"."

They do.

https://www.eff.org/search/site/mastercard

@kkarhan @olives @eff Anyway, it looks like there are two separate conversations going on here. (I didn't see olive's posts at first- apparently my instance limits qoto)

I'm not defending KiwiFarms, and I don't agree with the EFF in this particular case. If you want to continue that part of the conversation, please leave me out of it.

I'm only disputing the claim that they've ignored left-leaning issues, because it just doesn't track with what I've seen watching them.

@KelsonV @olives @eff

Guess why qoto is being restricted?

But that's not the point either.

We ain't talking about some fundamental human rights violation against the shitheads that use and maintain KiwiFarms.

In fact, I'd say the continued existance of KiwiFarms violates far more peoples' rights than could benviolated by it being DROP'd as it should've been ages ago.

@KelsonV @olives @eff

If you want to support that open pit of hate, go ahead and swim in it:
It's unhealthier than the Blue Goo Lagoon of Buxton.

I won't stop you from literally harming yourself, because unlike alkaline bleach that shitsite will scar people for life.
You have been warned!
#ToldYaSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVBZLoNffPw

@KelsonV @kkarhan @eff Visibility is very complex on the fediverse.

@olives @KelsonV @eff actually, not.

It's very simple indeed...

Ask your admin...

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff I think you have a tendency of over-simplifying things.

@olives @KelsonV @eff not really...

Again: Ask your admin...

I'm just not getting paid to teach people...

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff I'm not going to ask him about every bit of drama that has gone on on the fediverse. I'm not that interested.

From what I've seen, it's usually petty office politics and philosophy, and that's just not interesting.

@KelsonV @kkarhan @eff That is sort of the case, although they do it very rarely and not consistently (another EFF pet peeve).

@olives @KelsonV @eff 7. Considering 1776 Solutions is a #RogueISP, #DROP is an act of self- and mutual defense against being abused.

Just like blocking all traffic from GeoIP'd ASNs originating from Russia, China and North Korea is usually considered an act of self- and mutual IT defense.

8. #HE could've chosen to instead force the other providers connecting #AS397702 to DROP them under threat of terminating them as customers, but that would've had actual collateral damages.

@olives @KelsonV @eff
9. If it were my decision, Joshua "Null" Moon would already be in a 6' x 6' x 6' concrete box for his leadership in said CSAM-laden hategrooming & stochastic terrorism org.

Sadly noone pays me to change that.

But I'd be open to offers...

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff I haven't heard of it being "CSAM-laden".

It's strange that he can openly do what he does, especially as specifically creating it for targeting someone, and posting content, would make him liable. Risky.

@olives @KelsonV @eff they habe so much CSAM on their site that they got fired for that by gandi.net ages ago...

Again, stop advocating for shitheads that won't even wait till you outlived your role as useful idiot for them!

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff If that's there, then that is even more surprising, as the government is pretty no nonsense about that.

I'm not advocating for anyone. It's just a surprise that they chug along without anything happening to them, if they're doing all of these things.

@olives @KelsonV @eff he's not in the USA, but in some small village in Serbia with a fake local ID.

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff what

@olives @KelsonV @eff you may know that his shitsite has a bodycount of 3 that is confirmed.

But what most people forget is the lives they destroyed!

And those are in the double digits - just the one's I've got evidence to have survived.

And there are multiple people that only live and are being driven by revenge specifically on him.

And whilst I've to condemn that for legal reasons, I can at least understand their motives...

There are multiple 6-figure bounties on his location alone...

@olives @KelsonV @eff So yeah I'd rather want his ass to rot in pieces in a concrete cube measuring 6' on each side than having his pronoums nonconsensually changed into was/were and his identifyability being dependent on finding enough teeth for a dentist to compare...

Again: This guy makes RMS look like an intersectional feminist in comparison...

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff I kind of like RMS but some of his takes are loopy.

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff At that point, you have to wonder why he doesn't just pack it in.

It's not like he doesn't have the expertise to run a hosting company or something. Instead, he keeps the troll site chugging along.

Is it worth it.

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff Imagine running all the way to a little village in a distant country to operate a troll site out of...

What has the world come to.

@olives @KelsonV @eff You've to ask him directly...

I'm shure you'll have it easier to get in touch with him considering your constant downplaying of his actions.

I'm just not going to put filth on my life dragging that POS where he belongs...

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff "constant downplaying" I think you're interpreting posts in the worst possible way.

@kkarhan @eff

1. I'm not defending KiwiFarms. The world would be better without them.

And I think EFF made a bad call here.

2. Maybe EFF hasn't been as effective (no pun intended) as one would like, but they haven't been ignoring "things worth fighting for"

Just going to leave the 3 pages of search results for "fosta" here as a place to start:
https://www.eff.org/search/site/fosta

@KelsonV if @eff did something effective, a lot of #Sexworkers would've remembered them for doing so.

Yet noone did...

I wounder why...

@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff I've definitely heard legends of them on the Internet.

It's said that it was created to mock and ridicule some guy with a mental disability. There are also allegations that one egged him on to commit a rape.

They're like the stuff of legends.

@olives @KelsonV @eff well it's true...

And not like in a good way but in a sad way...

KiwiFarms are just bad - period.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPtLvxO8hs