Apparently the #EFF has chosen an open pit mine for hate as their "hill to die on"...
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps-should-not-police-online-speech-no-matter-how-awful-it
Because there is no valid reason to ever defend #KiwiFarms and #HurricaneElectric has the right to #DROP [#DontRouteOrPeer) traffic to them for all the valid reasons...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms
If @eff wants to join that beyond-#StochasticTerrorism & #Hategrooming site, then that can be arranged...
https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/drop.asn.block.list.tsv
Much bigger "#FreezePeach" fans have folded when customers decided to yeet them aka. boycott and cancel them...
Cuz if I were a donor of @eff I'd cancel my donations since they seem to have been accepting shit like #KOSA, #EarnItAct and other
#Cyberfacism without any action or even formal protesting...
@kkarhan @eff I'm a bit confused by this statement. EFF *has* been sounding the alarm on KOSA, Earn It, etc. They even put up a whole round-up of action tools back in July. Why do you say they've been quietly accepting?
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/07/you-can-help-stop-these-bad-internet-bills
People who defend the hategrooming scum of #KiwiFarms are just bad.
Regardless if #EFF, #CloudFlare and whoever else is hosting or providing services to said shitsite.
I'm not going to reiterate shit - look it up yourself...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms
And then tell me your position...
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110987470524664901
And yes, @eff doesn't give shits about things worth fighting for...
https://503junk.house/@rose/110985165520274278
@kkarhan @KelsonV @eff I think there is kind of a distinction with a T1 provider, it is a greater bottleneck.
It is frustrating how seemingly ineffectual they can be in fighting for free expression. They're a free speech group, but unless the government is passing a bill, they nap in a lot of cases.
Government authoritarianism is important to oppose (and I suppose you don't want core infra providers with itchy fingers), of course, but so much is of a more corporate nature.
When I say free expression, I don't typically mean Joshua's little site here, it's more basic things like sexual expression, art, and more.
https://protectthestack.org
When they do comment on that (sort of), it is primarily in the context of infra.
4. I'd follow @eff's argument if they also protested against financial embargos with no legal backing by payment processors against anything even remotely considered "sexual".
5. It only applies to KiwiFarms' ASN, so it's not as if there is any collateral damage to it.
6. You can make the argument about censorship by big providers once GMail, YahooMail, Outlook.com/Hotmail/Azure Hosted Exchange/GoDaddy et. al. do process abuse reports and don't just randomly block stuff...
"I'd follow @eff's argument if they also protested against financial embargos with no legal backing by payment processors against anything even remotely considered "sexual"."
They do.
@kkarhan @olives @eff Anyway, it looks like there are two separate conversations going on here. (I didn't see olive's posts at first- apparently my instance limits qoto)
I'm not defending KiwiFarms, and I don't agree with the EFF in this particular case. If you want to continue that part of the conversation, please leave me out of it.
I'm only disputing the claim that they've ignored left-leaning issues, because it just doesn't track with what I've seen watching them.
Guess why qoto is being restricted?
But that's not the point either.
We ain't talking about some fundamental human rights violation against the shitheads that use and maintain KiwiFarms.
In fact, I'd say the continued existance of KiwiFarms violates far more peoples' rights than could benviolated by it being DROP'd as it should've been ages ago.
If you want to support that open pit of hate, go ahead and swim in it:
It's unhealthier than the Blue Goo Lagoon of Buxton.
I won't stop you from literally harming yourself, because unlike alkaline bleach that shitsite will scar people for life.
You have been warned!
#ToldYaSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVBZLoNffPw
@olives @KelsonV @eff 7. Considering 1776 Solutions is a #RogueISP, #DROP is an act of self- and mutual defense against being abused.
Just like blocking all traffic from GeoIP'd ASNs originating from Russia, China and North Korea is usually considered an act of self- and mutual IT defense.
8. #HE could've chosen to instead force the other providers connecting #AS397702 to DROP them under threat of terminating them as customers, but that would've had actual collateral damages.
@olives @KelsonV @eff you may know that his shitsite has a bodycount of 3 that is confirmed.
But what most people forget is the lives they destroyed!
And those are in the double digits - just the one's I've got evidence to have survived.
And there are multiple people that only live and are being driven by revenge specifically on him.
And whilst I've to condemn that for legal reasons, I can at least understand their motives...
There are multiple 6-figure bounties on his location alone...
@olives @KelsonV @eff So yeah I'd rather want his ass to rot in pieces in a concrete cube measuring 6' on each side than having his pronoums nonconsensually changed into was/were and his identifyability being dependent on finding enough teeth for a dentist to compare...
Again: This guy makes RMS look like an intersectional feminist in comparison...
@olives @KelsonV @eff you don't get it, do you?
1. #HurricaneElectric isn'a a Tier-1 and even if they were, there is no legal mandate for them to accept anything or provide services to anyone.
nor are they regulated as a "utility service" with "must provide" clauses.
Espechally since there's no legally enforceable #NetNeutrality
2. Providers are already very twitchy and they'll block entire ASNs if they get listed by #Spamhaus.
3. #KiwiFarms is indefensible thus invalid discussion.