robryk @robryk@qoto.org

@filippo @juliank

Or maybe even have each higher one be a function of the previous one, getting rid of any necessity of precomputation. (If we had an ideal PRF this would obviously work, but I'm not sure what function would work as the "step" function here in practice though.)

@MarkTurnerNC @pluralistic

Nit: there's no support for quoting in vanilla ActivityPub. The way {Ple,Akk}omas compose them is to (a) add a nonstandard field pointing at the quoted toot (b) add a `<span class="this-is-the-quote-rendering-for-those-who-dont-understand-the-field> QT: Link To Quoted Toot</span>` suffix to the html representation. So, either (a) works and (b) is rendered with `display: none` or sth similar, or (a) is ignored and (b) is displayed.

@grrrr_shark I'd guess some other edible salt, because most of what you care about is osmotic pressure.

@bert_hubert @ggerganov

Which is the training set accuracy and which is the test set accuracy? (I presume that the "87% correct" is the test set accuracy, but am not sure.)

Ok, it seems to have the the old-and-well-known preponderance to just pull numbers and multiply them without regard for what they are: https://you.com/search?q=How+heavy+is+1l+of+air+at+10atm%3F&fromSearchBar=true&tbm=youchat

@AutSciPerson

On a quick skim sounds interesting (passes standard first things to check: viral count was not the only endpoint that improved (but I don't know how many they measured), studies had small hundreds of people in them (I don't know anything about demographics though)).

@isomer @SwiftOnSecurity

Eh, they don't mention anything like that in likely places in the report.

However, they do describe the heat exchanger setup: it was being fed gases from the reactor (and not liquids). Thus I expect that once it started to condense the vapor, it became much more effective at removing heat.

The chatbot-style answers of https://you.com seem impressive.

If asked nonsensical questions, they provide nonsensical answers. However, contrary to chatgpt, when asked very weird but sensible questions or fact lookup questions, it does provide correct answers (also, doesn't refuse to answer questions on fake grounds).

@grrrr_shark

Sure. I was trying to argue that extirpation (without neighbours doing the same) wouldn't work, so either (a) everyone in the vicinity succeeds (b) we keep R<1 indefinitely.

@grrrr_shark

Huh. Suicides as a measure over short periods of time seems very weird. IIRC it's pretty clearly demonstrated that suicides shift around in response to availability of means, or prominence of the topic in discussions.

@grrrr_shark

Actually, by eyeballing graphs of case counts from that time, week-over-week change in early summer was ~-30%. That's better than I remember, so it changes my estimates of how feasible keeping it below 0 over winter could've been.

@grrrr_shark

By confusion I meant "for w/e reason people were told contradictory things and left confused". I agree that the reasons were usually something like inability to treat people as people.

I don't think it was possible to succeed without ~all of Europe succeeding. Trying without succeeding costs a lot (in any terms) and buys little (basically shifts the timeline forward without changing how it progresses much, unless there's something else that doesn't shift). Hm~ ok, so buying delay in winter '20/'21 would have actually possibly been cost-effective due to vaccines, fair point.

@grrrr_shark

There was lots of things that were assumed to have {some,none} effect due to lack of evidence in either direction. I don't know whether that's the standard state of the world that useful studies do not get started on a reasonable timeline, or something specific here.

@grrrr_shark I thought that at that point it was too late, because you can't really permanently isolate oneself from abroad effectively enough without going to the lengths NZ went to (which I don't think would have been practical even in short term, given the count of Grenzgänger).

So, we had a R of below-or-about-1 _in summer_, including the effects of contact tracing. Unless Covid was *completely* extirpated (which is infeasible given international traffic), getting case count not to grow significantly would require keeping R below 1[*] over winter. At that time I thought it was mostly infeasible to do so (while taking into account what one can do without nontrivial adverse effects on people) taking into account the implementation woes that were already apparent at that time.

If various things worked as they should (e.g. contact tracing doing things with reasonable thoroughness and latency, lack of the whole confusion around masks that kept not even suggesting more effective masks, lack of concentration on surface cleaning to exclusion of everything else (and sometimes even to detriment of everything else) etc.) then maybe we would be able to do so?

[*] sadly, effectiveness of contact tracing gets worse with more cases, because it's not trivial to train more people (that we've failed to do so ahead of time is one of the implementation woes)

@ErrataRob 100k/sec global? per one standard CPU? or per some other amount of hardware?

@grrrr_shark Whenish?

@lauren I don't remember doing so. It might've been the case that ~all my conversation partners were actually good typists :P

@lauren

I used ytalk a lot in my early teens and actually preferred that: you could e.g. stop typing something early, because the other person obviously already understood it. Also, typing cadence gave me much more of an impression of there being another person I'm interacting with (similar to what one gets from voice chat).

@lauren

And yet this is (mostly) a store-and-forward system, so it (a) technically degrades gracefully in case of high latency (b) doesn't provide UI affordances that degrade heavily under high latencies (e.g. a typing indicator would be one). (I think that store-and-forward and, in general, latency-tolerant systems are better for multiple reasons: ability to provide some privacy guarantees, and that making them so forces the design to be simple in some ways I care about.)

On a related note, it seems to me that realtime (i.e. characters appear to all parties as one's typing them) chat systems have gone basically extinct. I wonder why; is that a consequence of domination of mobile devices, or something else?