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@b0rk

Some people (e.g. me) strongly dislike it on the receiving side. In my childhood I felt extremely strongly about that approach and perceived it as being lied to. Over time my reaction mellowed out, but I still dislike it. I think my dislike is at least somewhat justified: if someone wants to be able to reason in arbitrary logically correct ways, then that deprives them of that possibility.

The way I try to satisfy both people like me and people who want the simplified version is by explicitly annotating parts as being only "morally correct" as opposed to actually true and precise.

@lauren I suspect that they like being touched on the forehead in general, because they often rub it against objects and people (presumably as part of leaving their scent on them).

Some guys reviving a scanning electron microscope from early 90s that was being scrapped: youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1O (commentary in Polish)

@dergrobi @rysiek

There's this very weird river next to where I live that causes rain: when the river rises, it's going to rain a lot soon. :)

And there's one more eruption near Grindavik (this time closer to the town).

Source of the image: en.vedur.is/media/uncategorize

@johncarlosbaez

This begs the question why don't protons explode.

@freemo @realcaseyrollins

But then what would you use as evidence of lack of intent in people who you wouldn't expect to blab so much?

@danluu

I now started to wonder if the spring bathroom scales exhibit some sort of drift when you step on and off them multiple times in quick succession (e.g. due to heating).

@freemo @realcaseyrollins

What do you mean by demonstrated intent? (I assume something like observed effects compared to your estimation of other effects he could have achieved.)

@freemo @realcaseyrollins

I don't know how to divine intent of people I can't talk with (or that talk in a way I find sufficiently alien). How would you do that?

@freemo @realcaseyrollins

Hm~ I'm curious what you'd think about the pilots from that sketch then (I understand that it's sufficiently out-of-context that it might be hard to extrapolate there or back, but I'm still curious).

@rysiek

Me :)

I've had people tell me that there are multiple angles to approach something or something to a similar effect when talking about statements that are either literally contradictory or that become contradictory if one tries to make them precise in the obvious way. The principle you're describing can be misapplied in that way.

@rysiek

Hm~ I've observed enough cases of people not caring that two (or more) statements they profess are literally contradictory that I tend to emphasize the nearly opposite statement: if two things are actually contradictory (which they often aren't even if at first glance they appear to be) then they can't be both true. I think that emphasizing that is actually productive, because it (at least sometimes) focuses the discussion on figuring out what are the conditions under which both can be true.

(That said, the discussions I've been in the vicinity of over the past ~2years have gotten worse over time, so I might be acquiring bad calibrations about what works. But again, I've had this approach for way longer than 2y.)

@rysiek

Or eschew the notion of purpose: there are only outcomes. The only things that might have purpose are actions of individuals one can reason with.

@neil

IIUC the way it works is that someone orders the thing from themselves (well, using two different identities) and using your address as delivery address. Then they can review their own product (and can choose not to initiate a return).

@freemo @realcaseyrollins

You might enjoy yewtu.be/watch?v=XfLdFZ4my9g and it's IMO somewhat relevant ~here: it demonstrates that literal contents of speech is not what is communicated. Sadly this means that unless one assumes good faith of the speaker, one can't really judge what they want to convey other than by looking at what effect it has, lest the estimate be ~easily manipulatable :(

@niconiconi
Which mental model? Lumped components, or water flow?

@niconiconi

Hm~ this seems weird: are the edges resistors? If so, what provides the electromotive force?

@rysiek

Ah, you mean the generic "get this from whenever" being a possible stable solution in the ~current world?

I guess I agree, but I still think that it's overly optimistic to say that fedi is of the same enough category to predict things for it from this: if we were to look a small number of decades in the past, the magazine distribution system via stores/kiosks (as opposed to only via a post subscription) was very popular and worked well, but I struggle to remember any working physical bulletin board systems from my childhood.

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