SO since there has not been a peep - I am guessing #SCOTUS is planning to hear The Student Loan frivolous cases just at the end of June when everything closes for the Fourth of July.
Does anyone know any different? If it is so, it's going to be another "Rule and Dash" against The Constitution. Right?
Just mere coinicidence Repugnicans came out with a "Student Plan plan" just now before they "ruled in June", right?
#StudentLoans ##SJC #Law #Constitution #Biden #FrivolousLawsuit
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@SameGirlie I really need to catch up on this.. I thought it was ruled unconstitutional a while ago?
@freemo Cases are up before The Supreme Court of the U.S. This will be a final judgement on the matter. We've been told June for the judgement. hope that helps a bit
@SameGirlie Ahh interesting.. I will be curious to hear the results.
Personally I hope they say the loan forgiveness is unconstitutional and I hope the result is that the government passes laws that make college free or cheap the right way (paying FUTURE college bills, not past, and paid by the government not loan agencies).
::fingers crossed::
@freemo My fingers are crossed that SCOTUS does not rule the use of actual laws unconstitional. It is wrong and it is a hijacking of our RIghts, Government, and Process by appointees of a Criminal.
Keep in mind that Congress wrote their appropriations bills based on reliance that these student loans would be paid back.
By law, Congress regularly cites these payments as part of the legal budget, no different from any other tax.
Biden cannot legally decline to collect this money any more than he can just decide not to collect corporate taxes any more.
That these student loan payments are part of the legal funding of government is a point all too often overlooked.
@volkris @SameGirlie @freemo Forgiving a loan is spending. Only the House can spend. Biden has no right to forgive a loan without an appropriations bill.
Excellent point. Regardless of who appointed the supreme court it clearly was not within Biden's legal right to do so no matter how you cut it.
Not everyone having a mature conversation with a difference of opinion is gaslighting, please stop being hyperbolic.
If you'd care to elaborate on what you mean I'd love to hear you out. But your response is far too short for me to know what you mean.
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris Context missing, did someone delete a toot here?
No SameGirlie rage quit and blocked you and everyone else int he thread.
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris Oh well, that's called losing the argument.
@mike805 @SameGirlie @volkris
Your opinion cant be very valuable if you didnt even bother to consider dissenting opinions in forming it... I just call it being ignorant, at least when the conversation is otherwise mature.
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris From what I've seen, the USA in particular is so divided that many people - maybe most - will just shut down when they conclude that you are "one of them." I run into this on noc.social as well when the subject of global warming comes up. There is a resident doomist on there, and he will not discuss the HOW of it. Just "we must stop using fossil fuels right now!"
Yes hyper-polarization in the USA tends to result in people being very aggressive against anyone with a more nuanced or middle road opinion than their own. Its very tiring.
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris I've actually been accused of "both sides ism" on here. Yeah, I think the American political system is like one of those puppet shows where the puppeteer has one on each hand and they argue with each other.
The issues they argue about all have one thing in common: they are not important to the financier class.
Yea anytime you add even a smidge of nuance to a conversation its "both sidism"... being in the USA is like being in a mental institution where no one is getting treated.
Do Americans even realize how they are seen as the laughing stock of the rest of the world, both left and right politically?
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris After the war, the "Frankfurt school" was allowed to set up shop here, leading to our current educational madhouse. And on the other political side, we thought we could win a civil war in Vietnam and elsewhere.
Inside every (blank) there is usually NOT an American trying to get out! Germany and Japan were special cases, not the norm.
@mike805 @freemo @SameGirlie @volkris
Japan and West, eventually reunified, Germany were huge success stories,
because
Marshall and MacArthur (relieved just in time by Truman)
prevailed over
McNamara and Morgenthau (also relieved just in time by Truman).
The neocons (and their predecessors) really f$cked up Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and vicinity.
@tatzelbrumm @freemo @SameGirlie @volkris Well also.. Germany was a very civilized country taken over by some evil people, and most of the evil people were dead by then. A lot of Germans did not like the jackbooted thug nature of the Nazis, although they liked the winning while it lasted.
In Japan, people were thoroughly trained to obey authorities. So when their Emperor said "this is the new boss" they went along.
The countries we have tried to fix since then were never that civilized.
@mike805
cc:
@tatzelbrumm@tuebingen.network @freemo @SameGirlie @volkris
@mike805
Well, that's a dangerously oversimplified view of history.
Both in Germany and in Japan, lots of thoroughly evil people remained law abiding citizens, only the laws (the evil version of which some of them had written and enforced pre-1945) had changed a little.
The Critical Theory founders who had found exile in the USA were quite appalled that ordinary, decent people could get into a collective frenzy and become rabid monsters, and then go back to becoming ordinary people again,
and did some serious research on this kind of authoritarian personality.
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality
for starters,
and
https://youtu.be/TjDEsGZLbio
for a reminder of a particularly noteworthy specimen.
If you actually read Adorno et al.'s book,
you'll be able to do your own critical thinking about Critical Theory, and not just regurgitate slogans that originate mostly from those for whom the classification as "authoritarian personality" is unsettlingly accurate to this very day,
cf. Donald Trump and his unwavering supporters.
@mike805 @tatzelbrumm@qoto.org
The USA developed an allergic response against anything that looked Marxist after WW2, and it still shows, even in Wikipedia.
For a healthy immune response against the allergy against anything remotely communist, see
(and research the context of)
Joseph N. Welch's response to Senator Joe McCarthy, 68 years ago:
https://youtu.be/8llS0ZkLVGA
@mike805 @tatzelbrumm@qoto.org
A more recent healthy immune response to a Commander-in-Chief with no sense of decency
is this one by the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, General Mark A. Milley:
by the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, General Mark A. Milley on 2 June 2020:
https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/CJCS%20Memo%20to%20the%20Joint%20Force%20(02JUN2020).pdf
and the
Memorandum for the Joint Force
of all the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 21 January 2021,
https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/JCS%20Message%20to%20the%20Joint%20Force%20JAN%2012%2021.pdf
@tatzelbrumm Even the Wiki says the FS were radical Marxists.
The authoritarian personality could also be called the cultural immune response.
If you immune system is too aggressive you get autoimmune disease. Western culture has suffered from that in the past (ex: religious warfare.) That's not our problem today.
If your immune system is not active enough, you have AIDS, and an opportunistic infection will kill you. That's the West today.
The FS helped to wreck the West's immune system.