@freemo @thegonzoism @trinsec The electoral college only matters for one vote every four years. The popular vote matters the rest of the time, especially on local matters.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

As well it shoukd be. The oresident resides over all regions and as such should be accepted by all cultures and regions. He should be discouraged from throwing minority cultures under a bus.

A congressman only has to represent his one district, he is local in nature, so he doesnt have to consider diverse cultures across different states and regions as he covers a small local area.

@freemo @thegonzoism @trinsec
(A) The electoral college seems to break in favor of the GOP, who minorities overwhelmingly vote against, so your theory there doesn't really match reality.

(B) Though a congressperson may only represent their district, they vote on legislation that affects the entire country, so that logic doesn't work. I don't want to elect someone who doesn't want to fund snowplows on northern highways just because he's from Florida.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism

We arent talki g racial minorities, we are talking american cultures. Southern culture, amish terretories, mennonite terretories, etc. Its not about race, wrong sort of minority in this context.

The logic works fine, there are senators that represent those other areas and their culture, so its fine. We also balance that out in a different way, by adding a fixed number of sentators as a base and then addind more due to population. This evens out the densities in a similar way.

@freemo @thegonzoism @trinsec Funny, I didn't say "race"...

The senators are elected with the exact same popular vote system as the house members. How is that different?

The senate doesn't "even out the densities". If anything, it makes the representation far more lopsided than it should be by, again, correlating arbitrary geographic boundaries with voting power.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

No they arent elected the same.

In the house the number of seats per stste is based on population, bigger get more. The senate is fixed with each stste getting 2 and only 2. This ensures states that have low populations and are mostly red states in this case, get more representstion per person.

@freemo @thegonzoism @trinsec ...and do you think that's a good thing?

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

As ive stated, if balanced correctly (the numbers need twesking sometines) then yes. It prevents a tyranny of the minority as discussed. It ensures the various cultures we have who are small isolated groups (like the amish) dont get thrown under a bus for the whims of the majority

@freemo @thegonzoism @trinsec I gotta say, living in a country where we literally enslaved people, I'm much more concerned about the tyranny of the majority than the tyranny of the minority.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Sorry the phrase i meant to use was tyrwnny of the majority.

@freemo @thegonzoism @trinsec Well, I gotta say, if that's the goal, then weighting human beings' votes based on arbitrary, archaic geographic borders seems like an especially poor method of achieving it.

As America's population grows, new cities will bloom in currently-vacant states. Once there's a metropolis in every state, how well will this system prevent that "tyranny" you're concerned about?

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Thats why we tweak the numbers as populations change to balance it again. Weve done it a few times iirc.

@freemo @thegonzoism @trinsec We do in the house, which is actually somewhat representative, yes. But there's no tweaking in the senate. The boundaries of the states are fixed and there are two senators per state.

Which means that a person from Wyoming's vote is about 68x more powerful than a person from California in the Senate.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Yes but in the house the vote strongly favors california. It makes sense to me that the house shoukd be balanced for population and the senate flat. It ensures there must be both a majority acceptance, and a state-majority acceptance to pass new laws...

@freemo @thegonzoism @trinsec California has 30% more people than the second most populous state. For a vote to favor California is a sign that people are being properly represented. (And I don't like it any more than you; even living in the land of Florida Man, I think California is bonkers.)

Honestly, the better answer, in my opinion, would be to break up both California and Texas into into about three states each. That would allow better representation of the people in their local areas, instead of being lumped in with 40 million others.

@freemo @thegonzoism @trinsec But the real better answer is to stop weighting votes by arbitrary geographic boundaries and just count one vote for one adult citizen. That's true freedom and democracy.

@LouisIngenthron

The vote still favors california in the cirremt scemarop/

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@freemo @LouisIngenthron @trinsec No I think you had it right.

@thegonzoism @freemo @trinsec Fwiw, Freemo's map isn't misleading because of gerrymandering. It's misleading because it obscures population density and incorrectly implies a correlation between votes and land mass.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Its not misleading at all, its intent as ststed clearly is to show votes by land mass. Nothibg misleading about that, no one is claiming this is showing votes by population density, its showing votes by region only.

@freemo
But I bet the republicans would love to show off that map because it would make them seem superior. Or at least, so they think. 😋

I guess it's all about the narrative. And the gullibility.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism

@trinsec @LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism

Thry do it all the time... yes the map can and will be abused. But thats not what is being done here.

It makes one simple fact clear, if you drive to almost any random place in america, you are almost always surrounded by red voters. Only time your not is if its a city.

@freemo @trinsec @thegonzoism Define "surrounded" lol

@LouisIngenthron
If I go to a field with just one cow, I am 'surrounded' by cows.

I think it's that. 😋

@freemo @thegonzoism