@Snowshadow what in the world are you talking about?
Just misconstruing what I have written, messaging me privately, and then complaining when I respond?
Dude, that's not the Russian Masters being involved. That's just normal discourse. I'm sorry if you don't like humans talking.
@lety but, what she 's put out in the last couple of days has been as bullshit as ever.
So again, I'm wondering what you're talking about.
@stochastic there's nobody that can give the president that power though.
Like, even if Congress wanted to, which it won't, but even if it did, Even Congress does not have the power to give the president the power to be that way.
It's just not possible under the US system.
And not only is it not possible, but it is emphatically not possible, it is intentionally not possible for that authority to exist.
It doesn't matter if people advocate for it, they might as well be advocating for perpetual motion, so all of these conspiracy theories are just sensationalism and nonsense.
@Snowshadow with so many conservatives flat out rejecting project 2025 I don't know how your stance stands
@lety ... So bullshit
@lety what are you talking about?
Personally I criticize Harris quite a lot specifically for the bullshit that she has been spouting all these years.
She has a long history of it, so what are you seeing that represents a change?
One of the reasons I consider her such a flawed candidate.
@stochastic The big problem is, it's not up to presidents to make that decision.
The framing of Trump's quote misses that he doesn't get to make that decision. In reality he's just saying he expects to do such a good job that he doesn't need those people to vote in 4 years, his side will win either way. Or he's just vomiting more nonsense like he normally does.
It's just ignorant to make this a big deal. It's sensationalizing things, and just distracts from the issues.
@dale No it's pretty much the opposite, I was trying to call you out for your misunderstanding of the role of government. Your point missed the role of government, and that's the whole thing I was trying to highlight.
It seems like you really need a broader view of the world to speak on these matters, so I would encourage you to keep up with current events more consistently if you really care about these things.
Because you just really miss what's going on with government.
@ecksearoh Democrats have not chosen a candidate. The convention has not yet happened.
Kamala is better than Biden against Trump, that's true, but she remains far too close in the polling for my taste. I don't want a candidate who is neck and neck, I want a candidate who will smash him and win in a landslide.
I don't want to risk it with Kamala's baggage, her past failures, and her generally off-putting demeanor.
I want Democrats to offer someone worth voting for so much that it will crush Republicans for a generation. And it's not that hard to find someone better than Harris. She barely makes it over the line if she does. And I don't think that's good enough.
@Snowshadow I listen to conservatives every single day, and that's what I'm trying to tell you, it doesn't sound like you do.
To be clear, Trump does not represent the conservative perspective. He is an idiot who parrots back the little bit that he understands, and so often conservatives end up correcting him when he gets it wrong. And I'll emphasize that: Trump gets to conservative perspective wrong very often and ends up being corrected by conservatives. He's just that dumb.
But that's one reason not to listen to rallies because the rallies often enough end up being the speaker, Trump I assume, vomiting out stuff that isn't actually the conservative position.
That's the thing about Trump. He's not actually a good conservative. And the best way to counter Trump is to emphasize that he is not a good conservative, to emphasize to conservatives that he doesn't actually represent them.
Unfortunately so many people end up promoting Trump to conservatives by buying into this position.
@ecksearoh Well that's a thing that I would really emphasize, Democrats don't have to choose Harris. She is a problematic candidate, and they have a ton of other people they could run.
This is what I've been saying everywhere, please for goodness sake can one of the two parties give me a candidate worth voting for?
Harris is a compromised candidate. She might lose to Trump because she is kind of awful. But there's no reason to choose her. Democrats should nominate a candidate that would steamroll over Trump, and they absolutely can. They do get to choose the battlefield.
@dale No it's simple: sometimes closed source software happens to be the most effective for accomplishing the goals of the government.
The goals of the government are generally not to promote open source ecosystems or whatever. The goal is to get some task done for society or for their constituents. And often a closed source package is simply more effective for accomplishing what they need to do for the public.
@Snowshadow I don't know how you expect to get through to conservative supporters if you're not speaking their language, though.
I don't think what you're saying is the position of conservatives, so you're not going to get through to them because they're just going to ignore you, because they will perceive you as talking past them.
It's really easy for a conservative supporter to just say, well that's not my position so....
@mhjohnson The problem is that she is a candidate with a lot of flaws, and another candidate would probably have been more likely to win.
I suspect Obamas were really hoping a different candidate would emerge to challenge her, but when it looked like the dust settled around Harris they decided they better get in on the game.
@MoiraEve this is a strawman argument, though.
Trump and Vance had nothing to do with the whitepaper, so instead of attacking their actual stances, you're projecting the argument onto them that you want them to be making, and that's not a legitimate way to do things.
Plenty wrong with them. It's better to attack them for what's actually wrong with them, not to attack them for positions that they denounce.
@dalfen Oh he's not quiet about how much of an idiot he is. This is nothing new.
He vomits up whatever nonsense manages to scramble to his frontal lobe, and this might be just the latest chaotic trash making its way out of his head.
@amydiehl The problem is that Harris doesn't exactly represent a break from the patriarchy.
If anything she seems all too eager to promote the same old power bases.
@Snowshadow where do conservatives push for that?
I think you might be misunderstanding their actual positions.
@ecksearoh when you have two pigs wrestling in the mud it doesn't really help to emphasize that either is a pig.
When your opponent is a convicted felon seems to me you should emphasize what you're bringing to the table, not focus on him and let him set the agenda.
Since I guess everything is political these days, I'll identify as extremely liberal but without a home in US politics.
Mainly, there's so much misinformation out there that people in society have trouble even organizing into coherent political groupings. So I'd rather not talk about politics but instead focus on information and education. Nothing else matters until the bedrock of fact is buttressed.
But... people are always going to be wrong on the internet, as the saying goes.
So: Old man yells at clouds is a famous joke from The Simpsons, and it probably fairly describes what we do when venting on social media.
Just speaking into the void, since I figure it's an exercise in futility to conduct discussions on these platforms.