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@dankmaximus Well the whole situation is largely provoked by biden being elected, so those arent separate things.
We had 4 years of democrats (or at least anti-republicans) burning down buildings, rioting, causing violence, being completely unwilling to engage in conversations, essentially following their politicial ideology like religious extremists. This seemed to be the vast majority of US democrats and liberals. Now dont get me wrong the right and the GOP can and often is absolutely absurd too and exhibits many of those properties. But its a smaller percentage and most of them are less aggressive about it.
After four years of that behavior they had the behavior reinforced by winning an election, this obviously added volatility on the right to be more likely to aggressively defend against that violence and perhaps initiate their own, but it also emboldened the left to the effectiveness of that violence.
Couple that with the mass arrests from the biden administration (not even just limited to the capitol hill incident. The complete exaggeration and continued dishonest of the media (in the form of propaganda at this point) and other patterns that it smells a hell of a lot like how things played out during the Reichstag fire and the events that followed in Nazi germany that the Nazis used to take power using fear and intimidation.
So my fear is that it will play out in a similar fashion
@zleap rather than to answer on your thread ill answer here since my answer is mostly the same... no as far as I know there are no significant protests planned, my concern is more the above.
If we dont consider the lives lost and all that we could probably use a good revolution over here to be honest... one that diminishes both sides.
@freemo @kino @dankmaximus yes you need a fresh start, so you 're saying the Democrats are just as bad as the republicans, sounds like the same as we have here in the UK, neither side is fit to govern really.
I am not sure I really agree with that at all. On almost every issue they tend to be on opposite sides... Can you name an issue where they are on the same side (and i dont mean in terms of the laws they passed but in terms of the opinions of the people on one side or the other).
@freemo @kino @dankmaximus I have to admit I don't watch the news very much it is mostly wall to wall covid, when there are other things going on, in the world.
I do my best to avoid it, but i do try to discuss topics critically so being sent links to news articles that I need to read and form an opinion about happens often. It almost always results in me going "What is this bias piece of crap, thats not even news!"
@freemo @kino @dankmaximus It is nice to have platforms such as this, i get the impression from the BBC things are a lot better now Trump is out. There is more to this than just the president.
Talk here, Prime minister should quit my question is and be replaced by Whom ? That is on twitter so i let em get on with it, here we can at least discuss nicely
@kino @dankmaximus @freemo Indeed, i find the news is very one sided.
the media report too early or on hearsay or gossip without stories being clarified, trying to get THAT headline i guess. so then they end up retracting something or one paper contradicts the other, it is a mess.
The headlines and content gets worse and worse everyday.. that article about the weather actually changing on bidens election day in a supposed news journal (which isnt suppose to be bias) sounded like something straight out of north korea.
@freemo @kino @dankmaximus We have so many people who have fallen
through cracks in the system. The government just does not listen.
Yes that too, the government is too busy with their circle jerk to be bothered being public servants.
I did an OU course a few years ago, main assignment was to argue which is better out of electric, hydrogen or biofuel out of the evidence in the course, I concluded each had good and bad points so a combination is probably better so no one solution fits every need.
I think studying helps you create a critical mind.
Universities are cancelling talks, to avoid upsetting people, no wonder people can't take arguments on both sides and form their own conclusion(s)
through cracks in the system. The government just does not listen.
the US government, at least, was founded by wealthy aristocratic land owners who ultimately didn't want to pay taxes. of course our government doesn't listen—it was never meant to be a government that served the citizenry. when it says "by the people for the people", the "people" in question mean "us landed wealthy class" —not the proles.
@freemo @dankmaximus
There are so many levels of ignorance on that I dont know where to start...
1) they werent against taxes.. they were against taxing of people by a foreign government who used those taxes to benefit themselves rather than the people being taxed. This is why they encouraged taxing at a local level but discouraged it only at a federal level.. Taxes at a state level were employed very early on in US history
2) the idea that the founding fathers were wholly rich land owners is also another fiction. Some of course were, others weren't. John Adams was born mostly middle class, comfortable but not wealthy by any means. Ben Franklin was born to a soap and candle maker, one of the poorest professions at the time, he would have been lower class. Alexander Hamilton was born a bastard and barely received a basic education, he was poor.
Kinda hard to doubt what literally took places.. they never did anything to limit local taxes and local taxes were allowed and in place day one after the revolution. Only thing they didnt like was federal taxes where poor people taxes in one location would have the taxes used to help richer people in another location. They felt taxes should be used on the people being taxed. That much is obvious from the facts that were true since the very first day after the revolution on wards.
@freemo @kino @dankmaximus @zleap I am seeing disillusionment slipping into cynicism.
@zleap
The ideas from both sides are equally shit, so from a policy standpoint they are equally as bad yea.
From a "violence and intolerance" standpoint the republicans used to be worse but as of the last decade the democrats have slowly risen to the top and and I'd say over the past few years are the far more likely group to be fascist and violent.
@kino @dankmaximus