There is something seriously wrong in the UK
I am not sure what is going on here, but how some people got to think that this is ACCEPTABLE is really beyond me.
Spiked by INJECTION: Women 'needled with date rape drugs' in nightclubs in Edinburgh and Liverpool leaving them facing HIV checks as police arrest man in Nottingham after three attacks there in two weeks
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@zleap wow this is a new level of attempted rape/attack I havent heard before. Quite disgusting of course.
@freemo Yeah, up to now drinks have been spiked, so people became more aware, you can get covers for glasses for example, there is cctv, people are perhaps more aware / observant.
this just takes it to another level now.
Problem is the UK is WEAK and PATHETIC when it comes to handing out sentences, so people are doing this with impunity, low chance of getting caught, lower chances of getting convicted and if caught and convicted you end up with a low prison term.
Not sure but in Rochdale the local authority was so scared of being branded racist they didn't step in with regard to Asian gangs grooming and raping young girls.
Not the same thing, but a concerning pattern. I will admit it is common for the news to play race politics in how they report to such a degree as to lead to absurdity.
I remember a british friend posted an article about this "racist" old white lady who was racist because she called the cops on a black guy for breaking and entering into his own home. I mean he was locked out and breaking into the home through his window. It seems a reasonable response for her to have and to assume she must have just been racist because the dude was black was laughably absurd, yet that seems to be how the news spins it quite often.
I seem to remember that story,
I agree she did the right thing calling the cops, what would have happened if that person had actually been breaking in with criminal intent.
Could of ended badly. Cops in the US seem on a higher state of alert, as if they expect to be attacked at every call. The difference between the US and UK is in the US people carry guns.
A US cop will shoot your puppy just for wanting some cuddles. Obviously the cop doesnt think the dog is carrying a gun. The gun excuse doesnt fit the fact. Also the majority of cops support gun rights rather than oppose them.
The difference isnt that the population has guns, the difference is that our police have guns and more often than not can shoot an armed person dead and get off with minimal repercussions. You'd be amazed how much violence will actually develop when you give someone the freedom to have a gun AND the ability to avoid repercussions when they use it to murder someone.
@freemo @icedquinn Over here if a police officer shoots someone they have to account for their actions.
Saying that the guy who attacked fishmongers hall was shot after some people subdued him
The guy tat killed the MP on Friday wasn't shot by the police when they arrived. He is currently being questioned. I am under the impression that people saw him stab the MP 17 times.
@icedquinn @freemo You mean like George Floyd ?
I think if the cop had been let off, the US would have seen massive riots in every city for months.
The cop didnt shoot george floyd, he was much more cruel, he slowly suffocated him and even after being told the man was dead and stopped breathing he refused people to attend to him and continued to suffocate his lifeless body for something like 4 more minutes...
At least with a gun he might have the excuse that he reacted before thinking (not a good excuse but its something)
@freemo @icedquinn didn't a cop shoot a 13 year old boy about the same time of the trial, did anything come from that. ?
@freemo @icedquinn This was about the same time as the Trial of George Floyd, in an alleyway in Chicago not sure, it was in the news briefly
Not true, and wouldnt even be relevant if it were true. Sitting on a dead persons chest for 4 minutes after they die refusing people to do CPR is more than daming enough regardless of if he suffocated him or not, which he did.
Anyone who is trained in first aid can give CPR
All cops are requyired to be CPR certified actually as part of their training in almost ever precinct in america. Even myself as a SCUBA diver am CPR certified and "As a rando" have duty to perform CPR should it be needed.
That makes sense, and should doing a pulse / breathing check be a requirement BEFORE doing CPR. ?
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@MaceDindu @icedquinn @freemo By randos do you mean random people.
Over here if a person collapses people can dial 999 to get an ambulance but in the mean time can give CPR, the call handler can give directions to perform CPR, it has saved many lives.
Someone took his pulse (a fellow cop) and informed him there was no pulse and he seemed dead, insisting he needed help. His body was limp. There is no conceivable way you can justify his actions following that. Even if there is an off chance the police officer was wrong, your just grasping at straws at that point. When someone is unconscious and your told they have no pulse, your priority as a cop is to help the person, espcially considering this is a person who was not being arrested for any acts of violence of any kind.
firemen are to do pulse checks
Yes doing a pulse check is part of the CPR procedure and defines how you administer CPR. Someone with a pulse and not breathing is handled different than someone without a pulse and not breathing.
IIRC for no pulse it is 30 compressions at 2 per second,
If trained then pulse, within 10 seconds start cpr if none. 30 compression, then 2 breaths, repeat. Untrained you dont take pulse or do the breaths, just the compressions.
As I said the call handlers will guide you through this, even children have done this and saved the life of people.
A good reason to give as many people as possible first aid training.
Yes but a call handler will give you the advice I just mentioned. You arent supposed to give rescue breaths or take pulse unless trained
Agreed, end of the day the cops scions resulted in George Floyd s death, and he is clearly heard saying "I can't breath"
He could have stopped, or made different choices but chose to carry on with what he was doing.
Again even if true doesnt change the guilt of the cop. Once he went lifeless and was told there was no pulse his actions made him as guilty as a murderer and should have
Oops sorry im not competent enough to know that once someone tells me someone else is dead that I should stop sitting on top of the person.
The dude literally told a cop trying to give him medical attention no. Thats not simple incompetence at that point,.
From what i understood from the Trial the cops actions were not even in line with procedure. too.
That cop wasn't a rookie he had a lot of experience as a cop so would know procedure too.
Yea thats correct. Cops get more than enough training to know full well what took place was effectively murder and in no way remotely related to what is expected of, nor allowed by, a cop in such a situation.
It seems to be more about what grabs the headlines and causes the rright responses, reporting the news is a side project for the media.
@Ariovistus @icedquinn @freemo From what I understandabout Fentanyl it Opioid based and can be or is addictive and leads to more problems than it solves.
But makes big bucks for Pharma companies.
Nah fentanyl is abused for sure and yes leads to many problems. But it is a legitimate drug that many patients legitimately need. It is the only thing that can give many any reasonable quality of life at all.
Wouldnt change his guilt even slightly if it was. Sitting on a dead mans chest refusing to let people resuscitate him for 4+ minutes means that no matter what triggered his death he is just as guilty in my opinion.
this is obviously impossible for high profile cases.