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Well that's progress at least. Hachyderm.io is going to move qoto.org from suspend to silence. @freemo
source: github.com/hachyderm/community

@freemo We are listed as "limited" on hachyderm.io, (aka the new "silenced") but I've been trying to follow several people on that instance, and on the qoto page I get when I click on search results (and where I did the original follow), they are all in a wait state with "Cancel follow request".

Is this normal when we are a silenced server? If not, could it be a qoto issue? Or is there a workaround?

@ambihelical s like they are just doing it to steal users away, which I really dont mind, if users want to leave they are free to do so... But it does sound like they will just reinstate it in 3 months or less.

@freemo I hope not, I just want to be able to follow some people on hachyderm, there are a lot of people there.

@ambihelical considering the huge blocklist hackyderm has I wouldnt feel too secure about federating with them in the future from any instance personally.

@ambihelical @freemo "after our idiot behavior came to light and was publicly discussed , we decided that being held accountable for our actions was too much so we backpedaled and hope you forget” 👍🏻

@tonic @freemo I dunno, I like to think they just made a mistake. I prefer to think most people are basically good, but are also error prone meat machines.

@ambihelical

If they really recognized their error I'd expect it wouldnt have been a silence.. but it is improvement at least.

@tonic

@freemo @tonic Welp they apparently are rethinking their blocks, and we are not listed as blocked or silenced on hachyderm.io, however I so far am unable to follow anyone there. 🤷 Hopefully some kind of caching issue, I will try again in a few days.

@tonic @ambihelical @freemo No. People use shortcuts all the time; it the only way to reasonably operate. But, bring evidence, with polite and respectful argument, and they may change. Applying a critical/skeptical mindset is something scientists do all the time, and is not "backpedaling".

And, ultimately it is a free world; that is the whole point of federation. If they just don't like you for some reason and still want to block you, that is their choice. They may lose members if they block to harshly, but that is up to them to make that mistake.

If everyone in the federation did the same thing, it would be pretty boring. Some people are just more cautious than others (e.g. put 10 innocent people in jail to ensure that 1 guilty person doesn't get away).

There is no reason to be rude about it, however. People are just different.

@sgryphon @ambihelical @freemo when I’m in doubt I block domain 😅🤷🏻‍♂️ works nice 👌🏻

@ambihelical yes thats normal, you can only follow people who follow you.. BUT you can subscribe and it will work now since we can see their posts.

@freemo Ok, subscribed, I guess I can see who I might want to follow someday...

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