@barefootstache @opensourceseeds
Nope how's it useful?
( whatever people push more is getting my more attention right now!) So tell me a story or how it works for you... :) Planting yourself?

@freeschool @opensourceseeds

Not planting but securing that seeds don't become privatized like the way they were originally intended. When you realize that 3 corporations own 60% of the patents on seeds. One will quickly realize that food security is at risk even for wealthy nations.

@barefootstache @opensourceseeds
As comforts start to fade (prices go up) and just-in-time methods fail (are delayed), then these points about food certainly come into focus... but I feel people are going to be stuck in paying mode more than planting since they already came out of it (a lot of people have no clue or land)

While food sovereignty is not totally possible without mass of keeping care of and hard with tax sometimes just for holding land (which needs paying itself over and over). also the leaning hard on other countries or using monetary system quickly comes back to bite us harder and makes it obvious again that most people should be tending to land and planet for food (and possibly each to their own lands) to take real care of things (feeding people) rather than relying on evaporating virtual currencies from banks and power-play monopoly visions as the default in life... which only leverage / push down the other people further away from practice and these skills as % what jobs government gives (I'd prefer eco-system a bit more than machines-only or machines-1st as default to doing anything)

Much of this generation is also losing land or doesn't even have it or paying more which I realised seeds need to grow so it makes somewhat unsuable or not the other thing needed... while I think A LOT it's is great to keep... we'll see if we ever use them. (I'd prefer if we were planting right now).

This is why I suggested 'we' (some of us) go YOLO from now and use the few wealthy 'kids' / friends of the Earth we have who can enjoy their remote work etc to umbrella others while we tend to (our/their) land and help them relieve families from being locked out of this lifestyle and practices ourselves by doing land stuff and human repair... well right now.

I'd arguably leave my computer.

This may only start after we have time when it's too late... and while held in corporate boxes or fragile job themselves.

So my main point wanted to be is

1- it's a great idea to 'save seeds' (if that's the right term)
and come plant some here!

2- even with seeds the practice is questionably not there in many places or mindsets (so seeds are super for future but less and less in practice and when desperate is not going to feed if not really prepared)

3- space being lost or sold via currency forcing people to sell or increasing rents - lessening the ratio of buying power or doing things going totally astronomical as way of getting people deliberately locked-out.

@freeschool @opensourceseeds

Starting a commune seems like a far fetched idea, that most would probably be open to. Living off the lands type of feeling. (Here is a project that started back in 2020: https://futurethinkers.org/village/)

Given that climate change is a given, the biggest future risk is water security, because without it any commune will suffer. So your geographical choices are limited to mostly mountainous areas that get enough snow in the winter months.

Although it is sad that more and more people are losing landmass, that shouldn't stray people away from growing crops.

The farming technology is quite well these days that we can plant crops in areas that would be unimaginable decades ago, like with the London underground farm (https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/environment-and-conservation/2020/11/this-sacred-bean-saved-an-indigenous-clan-from-climate-calamity). Or we could use hydroponics and vertical farms.

The issue shouldn't be viewed only from a 2D aspect but rather in the 3D realm. It is true that more land area could hypothetically grow more crops, but if you go vertical, you could get similar yields with less area.