+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
vaccination works and is a sensible thing to do.
that said: being suspicious of big pharma just pushing out something untested isn't anti-vaccination, it's the result of decades of big pharma fucking (pandemrix) and covering up (see thalidomide). if it would be more or less the nation who develops it, like with the cuban vaccine, there at least wouldn't be monetary incentives for hiding things. in effect just saying "welp, happens" e.g. for the swine flu vaccination causing narcolepsy isn't reassuring either.
the most unsettling thing is that the pro-side is unscientific in their communications. it's almost like teleshopping now, "haha, you won't grow another limb!". that's what people make them feel taken serious in their doubts about a rushed new technology vaccine.
@trinsec i guess i'm just frustrated by a combination of big pharma being in for the money and people just ignoring the mask&distance rules without real consequences. no need for rushed vaccines if people would've cared. some weeks complete lockdown helps massively. now we are stuck here with a potpourri of rules which aren't really helping, waiting for the deus-ex machinae vaccine.
tl;dr i'm angry about everyone and everything and just venting here 😉
@bonifartius Suspicion of blockbuster drugs is warranted in many cases. It's much less so for things that don't tend to make companies money, like vaccines and generic drugs.
Indeed, I can't think of a bad vaccine since the one for swine flu in the 60's.
@mathlover swineflu vaccination was 2000s, thaliodomide was 60s. i think you'd want to have any medication checked as much as possible. especially things which are taken by healthy people like vaccinations or anti baby pills (the list of possible complications is long for those, too). they are perfectly fine in principle, but pharma has no reason to do more the bare minimum, and like car manufacturers will search for loopholes. there is no reason for them not to.
@bonifartius Sorry. I meant the Hong Kong flu vaccine. The one that caused cases of Guillain Barre syndrome.
In the US, the requirements of FDA approval are pretty damn strict. We didn't even have approval for thalidomide here.
@mathlover at least the thalidomide scandal brought us better controls here. my problem is, i know how fucked up big IT is (hey, we're on fedi for a reason :D). i expect no less of big pharma (or any other ogliopol). my limited insight into science tells me that masks & distance work, so i like to stick to that until stuff is better tested.
@bonifartius
Can't argue with that approach. I don't think this vaccine is unsafe, but you'll probably know by the time it is generally distributed
@mathlover whatever works for you individually! i'm just tired that everything is a black&white thing currently. i'm fine with the masks, so i can wait till it's better tested, but i'm pretty risk averse generally :)
@bonifartius On the other hand, large institutions like EMA (in Europe) aren't just going to approve something out of the blue. Of course they've checked and rechecked before they'll approve anything.
We, the people not in the medical field, have to trust those large bodies to do the research for us. Chances are more than likely that the medicine is less deadly than the actual virus itself.
Can something go wrong with this and end up harming us? Absolutely. It could.
The difference is, the virus will certainly try and is already here to do just that.