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Shout out to that time a long-time friend of a friend who always had a crush on me was devastated when I called her out (and ultimately cut her off) for hitting her child.
No one is going to beat their child in public and expect to not get an ear full out of me. I dont care who you are.
@freemo Shout-out for doing the right thing, facing punishment and staying true to yourself.
And in private doesn't make it less evil!
Some people have wondered why (for instance) Sweden had so few (until recently) murders, compared to (for instance) USA. I think part of it is that "disciplining children" (by physical or mental violence) has been denounced for many generations, and illegal since (I think) the 1960s.
Good communities start by stopping violence against children.
For sure, i would call it out in private too.. In this situation she had done it in public and a bunch of people int he resteraunt gave her shit.. she came to me to complain how she was "disiplining" her kid in public and how she got in trouble.... this was when i learned she hit her kid and i lost it. I didnt see the actual abuse, she was coming to me to tell me how she was "unfairly" criticized for hitting her kid. My response was "good, they should have criticized you, your lucky thats all they did, stop beating your child"
@freemo @niclas @AmpBenzScientist Was it a beating, or a spanking?
Does it matter? The long-term trauma in the child is not so much "amount of pain", but the betrayal of the parents, who are their only source of protection, love and comfort.
Yea the fact that your parents employ effectively torture techniques (albeit it in lighter form) to get compliance is just disgusting... We have abolished it throughout most of the modern of world but people still think its ok to use pain and abuse to control your child...
+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
@freemo @niclas @realcaseyrollins @AmpBenzScientist now we only need to not use the equivalent of white torture with all the psychological abuse happening which often is white washed by childcare textbooks etc.
@freemo @niclas @realcaseyrollins @AmpBenzScientist ah, it's how psychological torture is called in german because you don't get your hands dirty. guess that one doesn't translate :)
why i say this is that many ideas still pushed in one form or another are rooted in people like johanna haarer (i'm sure there are equivalents around the globe):
> In 1934 one of the most powerful publishing houses of that period released a guidebook by Johanna Haarer – one of the well-known women in Nazi Germany – on the topic of infant care. This book, The German Mother and her First Child, was in its tenth edition at the end of the war. It is still on the market, with changes that obscure its origin and ideology, not revealing the year of its first appearance.[32] In her critical analysis of this and another book on child-rearing by Haarer, Sigrid Chamberlain concludes that child-raising and education in Nazi Germany and the early post-war years are characterized by coldness, harshness, and indifference. She views these theories as a "seamless transition into the ideology and the institutions of the Nazi state", stating that it is "time" to deal with the fact that "the majority of those born during the Third Reich and the post-war years were released into life with early Nazi ideology, without ever realizing this fact and its possible consequences."[33] In 1977 the concept of "Black Pedagogy", introduced by sociologist Katharina Rutschky, was established, summarizing – among other concepts – the child-raising and educational methods of this period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_childhood_in_World_War_II
@bonifartius @freemo @niclas @AmpBenzScientist Doesn’t the Bible literally say spare the rod and spoil the child?
I don’t think spanking and beating children started in #Nazi #Germany.
@realcaseyrollins that's why i wrote that haarer likely has equivalents around the world :)
@niclas @AmpBenzScientist @freemo
Actually despite the phrase being repeates as you just said it that is not the actual wording in the bible. This is the wording from the bible:
Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.
@freemo @niclas @AmpBenzScientist @bonifartius Perhaps I shouldn’t have said literally 😂
Still, the principle is there.
@bonifartius
Not sure what "white torture" is?
@niclas @realcaseyrollins @AmpBenzScientist