Sad news but understandable. Thank you for all the hard work and the influence you brought into the US Political arena, Bernie. Progressives all owe you for advancing the agenda.
#uspol #xp
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RT @BernieSanders
Today I am suspending my campaign. But while the campaign ends, the struggle for justice continues on. https://www.pscp.tv/w/cVyXkDMyNzU3OTl8MW1yeG1RWmxRVnd4ec1Yy_fXXM6Jj9st36A12ZDamfAe7Cmy6M_vzHvhE…
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1247913426166280192
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@freemo I'm not a Sanders supporter, but I thought he was absolutely necessary as one of the few democrats who call out their own leadership. Unfortunately he stopped doing that, so meh good riddance. But not so good riddance to the party (i'm not a democrat, republican, independent, or anything). Now Trump will win, and establishment Democrats will blame their loss on Bernie supporters (again) instead of themselves, like I said would happen over a year ago. The truth is, the democrat elites would rather have Trump than Bernie, no matter what they say publicaly. Again, I'm not a Sanders, Biden, nor Trump supporter @design_RG
@design_RG He's actually handled the pandemic exponentially more than I thought possible from him. His approval rating continues to climb. @freemo
Yup exactly... the problem is I think @design_RG gets a lot of his view of the world from left-leaning media (most of the media he shares is explicitly biased to the left). So I think he is just getting a very distorted image.
Thing is, its an intentional tactic of the left in an attempt to win through distorting the reality (the right does it too, but in this case not really needed since the left is digging their own grave). the end result is the same thing we saw last election, they are convinced up and down trump is going to loose, and he wins anyway. Partly because fewer on the left are going to vote when they think they are a "sure thing".
So if anything with the left trying to paint this false narrative of Trump screwing up his response all they are doing is making themselves look bad for those who do their own research, and ensuring they lose votes due to complacency for those who buy the party line at face value.
@design_RG So like he asked, what could trump have done differently.?@freemo
You keep saying you are astonished by my evaluation of his handling of the situation, yet never actually provided any real facts or data to support your side, meanwhile most things I've claimed I've cited specific facts and sources on it. Thats the difference you will see when you follow a narrative that lines up with your personal biases rather than trying to find the truth regardless of how painful it may be to your cognitive biases.
Remember, I have never once voted republican in my life, I have always voted democrat or sometimes third party. So this is hardly my default bias. But I have to go where the facts send me.
That "affinity" you spoke of creates a feedback loop. You follow the media that has the propaganda that fits your own agenda and lean, and as a result it increases your own lean and justification. Which separates you farther from the nuance of the situation and causes you to have a false picture of the full landscape, good and bad.. Nothing personal, most people do it honestly.
But the end result of it is going to be you wont have a very accurate picture of where the election is heading.
@freemo
I could spend a huge amount of time in the kind of debate thread you enjoy, but I don't see the point -- as people will end up unchanged and going their own ways. I won't try to convince you, and it's not for lack of possible arguments.
The worse aspect is that having someone who acts the way Trump does is damaging other countries, not only his own.
You are certainly welcome to engage or not as you see fit, I wont hold that against you.
But there has been at least a dozen times you've written up messages about how much you hate trump's response or are astonished by my evaluation without providing any facts or sources to back up your view.
all those messages could have simply had a few bullet points thrown in with solid references and you would have spent no extra time on the debate but actually said something meaningful.
Also the idea that you cant change anyone's opinion seems weak. My opinion has changed consistently. A year ago Trump was public enemy number 1 in my mind, and through data and discussion that opinion has changed.
Personally I find when people take that out it has less to do with not being able to change someones mind (after all you didnt even try) and more to do with not wanting your own mind changed or to reveal your own biases, which might discredit you to others
With that said no matter how much I might disagree with you, that wouldnt discredit you in my mind, as long as you are respectful in how you express yourself, as you always have been.
@freemo @design_RG @obi >But there has been at least a dozen times you’ve written up messages about how much you hate trump’s response or are astonished by my evaluation without providing any facts or sources to back up your view. WAIT! HOL’ UP!! Lemme guess, lemme guess:
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…okay, fine. So I’m not JUST reaching for low-hanging fruit here, I offer this possible explanation as well — which I know I’ve posted before but maybe a few new lurkers may find it interdasting:
https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/26/the-perils-of-introspection/
>The Misconception: You know why you like [or hate] the things you like [hate] and feel the way you feel. >The Truth: The origin of certain emotional states is unavailable to you, and when pressed to explain them, you will just make something up.
@design_RG @freemo you won't debate, but you will just repeat what the news says without any critical thought? Seems intellectually lazy. You have no lack of arguments but don't give any? Seems lazy as well, or they are not very strong. Why even say anything unless you want to back it up, and not just live in an echo chamber?
Truthfully not saying this to be rude, I actually enjoy a lot of your posts, and have nothing against you. But on the road to being a better version of yourself each day, you should always open your mind to something that nowadays a lot of people won't - being wrong. I'm not saying you are, because u haven't presented a case, but an open mind is the best mind.
Yea that was kinda my take.. not the lazy part so much (he kinda admitted it was out of lazyness and nothing wrong with being lazy)...
But why put energy into stating something as true if you dont bother to explain why its true. At that point best not to say anything at all because its just wasted energy. Explaining a perspective has value, simply stating a perspective without the reasoning behind it has no value.
@freemo Totally agree, and I don't see a lot of people who share that perspective. The thing that really bothers me is that nothing will change, as it hasn't since the last election, and when they lose, like I said, they will blame people calling them racist, sexist, etc and take no responsibility, and repeat the process over and over and over and over. @design_RG