@zleap If your going to argue trump is stupid and dangerous you wont get any argument out of me.. The difference is I also think the democrats are stupid and dangerous too.

@zleap I generally see the UK as one small notch better than the USA, but generally spiraling down the drain too, just for entierly different reasons.

Much of the world is going downhill honestly but thankfully many countries arent so far ahead on that race as America is at least.

@zleap racism is such a tricky word.. pretty much anyone who doesnt fit someones ideology exactly is a racist and deserving of absolute hatred..

Me.. I see the spectrum and I try to put it in the context of thet ime.

For example a lot of people here are calling Thomas Jefferson a racist. There are some points that seem to make it obvious to those people, namely he owned slaves, which is more than enough to frame him as such (and I can see why they can think that without applying more critical thought or time on the subject)...

But when you look deeper you find he was very actively against slavery. He wrote a book strongly crying out against slavery, and he was one of the earliest abolitionists in USA, since its founding, well ahead of his time.

Even the fact that he had slaves can somewhat be explained within the context of the time. While many slaves wanted equality at the time many explicitly did not want to be freed individually. That usually meant poverty and a garunteed lynching. They felt safer and more protected as a slave to a generous master than to be free in a state that is so actively racist they would be killed on sight. He treated his slaves very good, gave them good conditions, good food, treated them as best one would expect given they were slaves, all the while doing everything he could to try to forge equality so he could one day safely free them and they could go on to live a life afterwards.

@zleap Yup, the problem is radicalization of both sides..

The horshoe theory is correct but confusing. It doesnt mean that both sides have the same core ideals, they dont. But they do have the same level of immaturity and radicalization in those ideas.

Same abusive personalities just with a different set of misguided morals, morals that in a less radicalized form would actually be good, from either side.

@zleap True, I mean, what I suggest is dont be radicalized for starters.. its ok to lean one side or the other, but be middle-ish.. dont be head strong and absolute that either side has all the answers.. Listen to the solutions and problems of both sides, consider them all, and come up with solutions that address both sides concerns.

@zleap I have a reputation (even among my mods ::looks at @design_RG ::) of starting trouble. Which of course people sometimes worry I might cause a bad reputation in the process for QOTO.

But frankly talking about difficult subjects, even if it may become intense, is the whole reason I started this server. People cant talk rationally about polarizing subjects anymore and my main goal has always been to change that. So for me ruffling a few feathers, as long as I do it respectfully, is perfectly ok with me :)